Best practices for quoting resources that don't have page numbers

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Michel Pauw | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jan 25 2021 1:16 PM

What are your best practices for quoting digital resources in Logos that do not have page numbers? 

Especially in academic papers for seminary / university. Do professors accept referencing without page numbers? What is your experience? 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 1:27 PM

It depends on the professor and/or school. Your style guide may also be of help. 

FWIW - I do accept citations without page numbers in cases like this. 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 1:28 PM

I've been using "n.p." which some say means "need page", others say means "no page" (which makes no sense, since the citation does have a page, but we just don't know it). It has always been accepted by my professors.

Personally, I think that we need something like "Kindle position" for Logos resources, so that we can cite more exactly. I once made a suggestion about this on the previous suggestions site, but it never gained any traction.

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Randall Cue | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 1:41 PM

I know another Bible software program uses paragraph numbers for resources without page numbers.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 1:44 PM

Michel Pauw:
What are your best practices for quoting digital resources in Logos that do not have page numbers? 

My recommended best practice is to follow the style guide for whatever citation style you are using. I have yet to encounter one that does not have instructions for handling non-paginated ebooks.

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Ted Weis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 2:24 PM

Logos resources that don't provide a page number is a definite frustration when writing research papers. Without that page number, it seems like the reference is second rate or illegiitmate.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 3:50 PM

Sometimes it's possible to find the page number on Google Books, or in the Amazon "Look inside" preview., or on archive.org.

It it's not on any of these, I have a list of sites that I'm not gonna name here that provide a huge number of books illegitimately. (If I've already paid for a book, I don't consider it immoral to download a bootleg copy for the sole purpose of getting the page number.)

Sometimes it's also helpful just to google for a few words of the citation ("exact words" on Google Advanced Search).

If I still can't find it (which still happens all the time), then I use "n.p."

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 3:55 PM

What about Paragraph yyy of Chapter xxx ?

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 4:00 PM

David Ames:

What about Paragraph yyy of Chapter xxx ?

Not quite an option if you have to follow a style guide.

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Scott E. Mahle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 4:33 PM

Michel Pauw:

What are your best practices for quoting digital resources in Logos that do not have page numbers? 

Especially in academic papers for seminary / university. Do professors accept referencing without page numbers? What is your experience? 

We used APA in school and professors always accepted my work provided I followed the style guide. HERE is what the APA Style guide states.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 25 2021 4:38 PM

Ted Weis:

Logos resources that don't provide a page number is a definite frustration when writing research papers. Without that page number, it seems like the reference is second rate or illegiitmate.

Resource URL in Hyperlink Copied Citations includes offset so clicking on URL opens resource so citation should appear on screen: e.g.

The elderly gentleman seated across from her had leaned forward, pointing. “Over there is mesquite and—look there! There’s an armadillo!”

Lori Copeland, Faith (Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2010).

FYI: fiction eBook Faith does not have page numbers (had a price of $ 0.00 once upon a time, currently is $ 5.24)

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2021 6:28 AM

I put N/P in my resource... I have been looking but have not found a "standard" for no pages. 

When in college, I had a thesis paper thrown out because there were no page numbers in some of my references.  I showed the teach the books where I got the reference and finally got the paper "allowed". 

I'll be watching this thread ... hopefully someone can "show me the way" in this....

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2021 9:58 AM

xnman:
I had a thesis paper thrown out because there were no page numbers in some of my references.  I showed the teach the books where I got the reference and finally got the paper "allowed".

Unfortunately there are some professors like this, so It's always wise to ask. 

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2021 1:14 PM

xnman:
I put N/P in my resource... I have been looking but have not found a "standard" for no pages. 
xnman:
I'll be watching this thread ... hopefully someone can "show me the way" in this....

What citation style(s) do you use?

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 26 2021 1:25 PM

In Turabian, you cite the chapter. According to 17.1.10 (page 181 in my 8th edition):

If you downloaded the book in a dedicated ebook format, specify the format and do not include an access date. See 15.4.1 for more details...Another option if the page numbers are not stable is to cite by chapter or another numbered division (see 17.1.7.1) or, if these are unnumbered, by the name of the chapter or section (see 17.1.8).

For example, if Calling on the Name of the Lord: A Biblical Theology of Prayer did not have page numbers (it does, but finding a book which didn't seemed silly), I would cite it like this:

J. Gary Millar, Calling on the Name of the Lord: A Biblical Theology of Prayer, ed. D. A. Carson, vol. 38, New Studies in Biblical Theology (Downers Grove, IL; England: InterVarsity Press; Apollos, 2016), ch. 5, Logos Bible Software.

PS I am not sure if the preferred format is "Logos Bible Software" or "Logos Research Edition." I have always used the former and was not corrected during my masters work, but looking at the examples in the handbook (Adobe PDF eBook and Kindle), it may actually be the latter.

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