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Steven Luker | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 7 2021 5:57 AM

Is it possible to share Logos with my wife?

She wouldn't be using it professionally.

We have different devices.


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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 6:06 AM

Welcome Steven!

Steven Luker:

Is it possible to share Logos with my wife?

She wouldn't be using it professionally.

Your Logos license is for "one user." Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse, provided that the software isn't being used vocationally. As you have described your situation, it sounds like you fall into that category perfectly. 

Do be aware, however, that Logos IS designed for "one user." There aren't multiple user accounts, preferences, bookmarks, etc. As long as you can live with that and its implications, you will be OK. 

Steven Luker:
We have different devices.

You are able to install Logos on as MANY devices as YOU own, provided that it is for your own personal use. Your wife's devices fall under that same category. 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 6:22 AM

JT (alabama24):

 Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse, 

The 'has' in the above statement has sometimes been changed to 'had' as in had been defined in times past.  

It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court. 

You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge.  

Often the cost of some resources are questioned. The publishers that set the prices sometimes seem to want to change us the same price that they charge a library.  The library has hundreds of users to spread the cost over.  We are allowed to spread the cost over just one - 'me'. 

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Steven Luker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 11:45 AM

I really WAS just looking for information. For example, how do we set it up?

But, yeah, Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation. I am not single any longer.

In my opinion, it is short-sighted because a family would potentially buy more because each member would be interested in different subjects. But someone in my situation probably won't even introduce them to it.

It's not my company, though.  What do I know?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 11:52 AM

Steven Luker:
We have different devices.

Please consider this discussion.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 2:02 PM

Dave Hooton:

Steven Luker:
We have different devices.

Please consider this discussion.

I don't believe you are correct, but we never received an official answer. I just wrote to Bob for clarification. 

In most states in the US, there is a legal understanding that "what's mine is hers and what's hers is mine," so there would not be any legal distinction about it being "her" computer rather than "my" computer. 

For that matter, the license agreement makes no provisions whatsoever that your spouse can even use the license at all... so I am not sure where you are drawing this distinction. It is Bob himself who has "defined" what is meant by the licensing agreement. 

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 3:05 PM

JT (alabama24):
In most states in the US, there is a legal understanding that "what's mine is hers and what's hers is mine," so there would not be any legal distinction about it being "her" computer rather than "my" computer. 

You can make that even easier. There's no distinction between "my" library and "her" library.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 4:23 PM

JT (alabama24):
In most states in the US, there is a legal understanding that "what's mine is hers and what's hers is mine,"

And here I thought I was special for living in a community property state What Are the Community Property States? - SmartAsset Sad

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 7 2021 9:30 PM

Steven Luker:

I really WAS just looking for information. For example, how do we set it up?

But, yeah, Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation. I am not single any longer.

Welcome Big Smile

If your wife has her own email, an idea is creating a Faithlife account followed by "purchasing" free Logos 9 Basic , Verbum 9 Basic , Lexham Intro Collection (5 vols) , Price:0 Live Unowned (caveat: some subscriptions have $ 0.00 for first month so appear in Price:0 search plus Price:0 can be used monthly for more Free books). Free "purchases" do not need a credit card plus includes email from Faithlife with software Install link, which needs device meeting Logos Minimum System Requirements

May want to consider purchasing Logos 9 Fundamentals (excellent value for $99.99 price, which may have special pricing reductions at times)

JT (alabama24):
Do be aware, however, that Logos IS designed for "one user." There aren't multiple user accounts, preferences, bookmarks, etc.

Wife's installation allows her to personalize preferences, bookmarks, prioritizations, highlighting, notes, clippings, layouts, shortcuts, ...

Another idea is creating a private family Faithlife group for sharing Documents, which has sharing options for collaborative editing.

Thankful for a personal demonstration account having an order total of $ 0.00 that includes older Logos 7 Fundamentals and Logos 8 Fundamentals, which is quite usable for Bible Study. Thankful for Faithlife coupons Big Smile while my purchased library causes my wallet to Crying Right Click on a Bible Word in my demonstration account appears faster than my purchased account since significantly less is enabled so depends on Bible Study task for which account is used (more in-depth study, which uses many commentaries needs purchased library). Thankful for Logos & Verbum being usable on one computer at the same time (using different Faithlife accounts).

Steven Luker:
In my opinion, it is short-sighted because a family would potentially buy more because each member would be interested in different subjects. But someone in my situation probably won't even introduce them to it.

Faithlife Group suggestion => https://faithlife.com/homeschool-families/activity (included a free base package a couple year ago) so am watching for more family friendly stuff, including licensing & sharing.

Steven Luker:
It's not my company, though.  What do I know?

Possibility for reading resource(s) in your library is using Web App => https://app.logos.com or https://app.verbum.com (in a Web Browser: e.g. Chrome that has your Faithlife account sign-in so Web App & her Logos installation can be open at the same time on one device). Due to syncing with Faithlife servers, would recommend only one person be reading resource(s) in your library at a time. Having same library resource (or prioritization) open on more than one device has opportunity for sync surprises. Caveat: while this idea is technically feasible (especially using devices in one location sharing one local network), it currently violates section 5 of Faithlife Terms

5. Rights and Access Privileges for LBS Licenses.

LBS Licenses may ONLY be used on devices owned by the licensee in whose name the LBS License is registered. Each LBS License is granted for use by one human user only, even where the LBS License is registered in the name of an institution such as a church. We reserve the right to monitor use of the Services subject to LBS Licenses to detect, prevent and disable excessive simultaneous logins on different devices indicating use of the Services by more than one human user. We do not offer site-licenses, shared licenses, co-op licenses, or library licenses.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2021 12:47 AM

Steven Luker:

Is it possible to share Logos with my wife?

She wouldn't be using it professionally.

We have different devices.

There are long answers to your question Steven may I attempt a short one.

No problem with your wife signing into your account on her device.

Good idea to prefix note titles (for at least one of you) with 'His', 'Hers', or other discriminator.

Live with the fact that you may need to make careful use of Layouts to retain sanity.

Every time you open Logos and find a surprise setting; give thank for a spouse that loves the King (that's not you BTW)

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2021 2:19 PM

JT (alabama24):
I don't believe you are correct, but we never received an official answer. I just wrote to Bob for clarification. 

JT (alabama24):
For that matter, the license agreement makes no provisions whatsoever that your spouse can even use the license at all... so I am not sure where you are drawing this distinction. It is Bob himself who has "defined" what is meant by the licensing agreement. 

I'm not sure from where you are coming. What exactly did Bob say/define? What distinction am I supposed to be making?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2021 2:28 PM

Dave - I will contact you through another means. Smile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2021 3:03 PM

Steven Luker:
Logos is cost-prohibitive in our situation

KS4J provided a detailed response which I wanted to touch on briefly. He is right that Logos does not have to be expensive. It is possible for you to pick up many free and inexpensive resources, especially through the use of Logos Basic. There are good reasons for her to have her own account. 

On the other hand, I believe you should feel free to share your account with her if you would like (as long as it is for non-vocational purposes). If FL disagrees, they are more than welcome to clarify. 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 8 2021 3:35 PM

David Ames:

JT (alabama24):

 Bob (the owner and founder of Faithlife) has graciously defined "one user" to include a spouse, 

The 'has' in the above statement has sometimes been changed to 'had' as in had been defined in times past.  

It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court. 

You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge.  

Often the cost of some resources are questioned. The publishers that set the prices sometimes seem to want to change us the same price that they charge a library.  The library has hundreds of users to spread the cost over.  We are allowed to spread the cost over just one - 'me'. 

It's been awhile, but I made this argument years ago. I appreciate Logos, but the EULA, as it's set up, it pretty much a racket. Yes, Bob is lenient (I'm not sure "gracious" is the right word) in terms of what he allows in relation to what the language says, but the idea that one person only is allowed to use a library of 20,000 titles is absurd. I understand that digital resources can be abused and so some caution is necessary, but the EULA requirements based on a CD's contents (50-150 resources) doesn't really transfer over well to a five-figure library. It's not a practical problem issue at present, but I could see a time when I want to allow others to access my library for my benefit (a secretary, for instance). As digital becomes the norm rather than the exception in publishing, I can see a place for disruption of this space as far as EULAs are concerned, a la Robin Hood and free trading. The EULA "theory" for Logos 1995 and the EULA for Logos 2021 shouldn't be the same. Massive resources should not be exclusive to a single user, period. Customers should only have to pay for a share of the product cost of encyclopedic sets and multi-volume commentaries. I don't know what the breakdown should be, but for instance, 3-6 users should be allowed to use a 10-volume dictionary or 20-volume commentary, just like with printed matter. Practically, that means each user would only pay a corresponding percentage of the set cost. Under such a scenario, many more users would have much more reason to invest in their Logos libraries because the overall value in terms of search capability would mushroom. Instead of a mountain too daunting to contemplate, attaining an affordable library that is powerful, empowering, and highly useful would encourage rather than discourage usership.

I assume that this would require a full-spectrum reordering of the current rights negotiations, but FL should be pushing HARD on publishers to move in this direction.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2021 3:03 AM

David Paul:
The EULA "theory" for Logos 1995 and the EULA for Logos 2021 shouldn't be the same.

You are correct David.

While I would not agree that I should automatically be allowed to vary an EULA, the concept of 'owning' or 'exclusively licensing' resources is outdated. The whole model is a little 19th Century. But it does suit those with a 19 Century way of thinking and those should be catered for.

A 20th-century solution would be the subscription model where you either got unlimited access to a limited library or, perhaps time-limited access to a huge library.

I am sure that there is a 21st Century solution that simplifies the subscription model and totally eradicates the 'it's my library' mindset. The trouble is that I have a 19th Century brain.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2021 1:51 PM

I have Logos on my laptop, my desktop.  My wife uses it whenever under my logon. Ethically and morally, I see no problem with that. 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2021 5:33 PM

David Ames:

It has been discussed many times but, to the best of my knowledge, has not been tested in court. 

You spend thousands for your library and your wife and sons can not use it just might not stand up before a judge.  

The value of Logos is a LARGE library.  Has Logos charged anyone with violation of the 'agreement' and what were the results?

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And ONLY YOU [singler] can use them??  

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2021 6:34 PM

Steven Luker:
In my opinion, it is short-sighted because a family would potentially buy more

This is my view.  I have L9.  Now I have 3 children actively using L9.  I had to purchase the program, therefore, 4 times.  And they all continue to want resources as they study...and I purchase it for them.  Tonight my wife has decided she wants the program also. So they all see the value of the program as they have seen me use it over the years.

I wish there was a family license.  Or as the owner of Logos, I wish there was a way to purchase a license for the family to use.  If you hook your children on the program, they then want their own copy as they reach a certain age.  If you hook children and a spouse onto the program, they also becomes salespeople as they sing the praises of how they have benefited from using Logos.

While it has been a huge expense for me to purchase the program several times, I have had no regrets as I see the program being used to further understand the Bible and grow in their faith.  What more would a parent want?  But the sacrifice is huge and I really don't know what to do now that my wife has expressed an interest in the program.

I have always remembered Bob's gracious response in 2009....and bookmarked it.  I guess I did not realize that it has been replaced by updated terms.  It has not affected me to date. But it reminds me that with the change of presidents, management or time, things that were true in the past may no longer be true (the huge change from L3 to L4 comes to mind).

So short-sighted...yes.  Would I like to see clarity?  Yes.  Would I like FL to develop a family license agreement?  Yes. Do I think FL is unwise to not have a family license agreement?  Yes.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 9 2021 7:06 PM

Mark:
So short-sighted...yes.  Would I like to see clarity?  Yes.  Would I like FL to develop a family license agreement?  Yes. Do I think FL is unwise to not have a family license agreement?  Yes.

Feedback => Base packages for families has "In progress" status with 26 votes.

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FYI: know of one church youth group using YouVersion mobile app that tracks usage with points. Like idea of Christian Home Family mobile education certificates.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 10 2021 2:06 AM

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Feedback => Base packages for families has "In progress" status with 26 votes.

Last reviewed a year ago, so zero progress made.  Maybe tweak the EULA a little bit would be better.

DAL

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