Upgrading Equipment for Logos 9 and Windows 10

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 5 2021 1:23 PM

Howdy to all.  I couldn't find my previous post on this, so I will have to start a new one.

My main machine has 16 GB memory, DVD drive, two hard drives (one for data), and uses an intel i5 processor, with quad 4.  Both the main drive and data drive are 1 TB.

Since Windows 10 won't update on it, but goes into a loop, I was thinking of the following:

Go to Best Buy and get this processor:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-core-i7-9700k-9th-generation-8-core-8-thread-3-6-ghz-4-9-ghz-turbo-socket-lga-1151-unlocked-desktop-processor/6302021.p?skuId=6302021

Then get a solid state C drive.

My questions are:

1) Does that web page include the Motherboard?  I presume the buses have to be different.

2) Will the memory I have still work with that CPU?

3) If the data drive is *not* solid state, but the C drive *is*, does that cause problems?

4) If this setup is workable, then will Windows 10 update completely, and not just keep rebooting?  I presume Logos 9 will surely work on such a setup.

Dave gave me lots of advice, and a nice gentleman said he simply upgraded to solid state hard drive, and that made Logos work for him.

I'm attaching a pic of the system information on this laptop, because it is almost identical with what is on my PC.  I have no one else to ask, and so I thank y'all so very much for taking the time to answer me, if you choose to.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 1:25 PM

Paul L. White:
Howdy to all.  I couldn't find my previous post on this, so I will have to start a new one.

Found it, just for reference: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/198573/1151040.aspx#1151040

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 1:29 PM

Wow, SineNomine...thanks!  Don't know how you did that, but I'm very grateful.

I saved the link to that post, and this one, in a notepad file.  Blessings to you for helping me.

Paul

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 2:33 PM

Hi Paul,

Can you confirm that you cannot get on the main machine at all? Is Windows just keep rebooting and you never reach the desktop? And this happened following an attempted upgrade?

That webpage is just for the CPU, no motherboard. Replacing just the CPU is not very likely going to sort out why Windows is rebooting, and it is also may not even fit.

The image you posted did not post, I was also earlier having a problem posting from Amber, but if you right click your Start Menu, then choose System, under Device Specification, what does it say for Processor? That should give an indication whether your components will be compatible.

I am off to bed shortly (UK) so hopefully Dave or someone else will be about to help.

Depending on how much hardware you change, you may also need to reactivate Windows again, and that may require you to purchase a new product code. It may just be easier to run a repair of Windows, or a reinstall if it is totally broke. If you would like to try this first then let us know and someone should be able to link to a few guides of how to do this.

Sorry if I have misunderstood.

Good luck Yes

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 6:05 PM

I have a quad core i5-6500 with 16 GB of RAM too, which I bought in 2016. The computer got slower and slower over the years, and every Windows update was a torment in the end.

So I made a full data backup, and wiped the whole machine earlier this year. The performance is as good as on the first day now. (The kids are just complaining because Minecraft is still laggy, but that's the unproportionate increase in demands of graphics power by those games...)

Anyway, updating the CPU is not necessary I believe. You do need a lots of RAM (which you already have), a fast SSD (which is easier upgradeable than a CPU), and then the trick is not to "clutter" the computer to avoid losing performance.

If you do want to upgrade the CPU however, you'd most likely need a new motherboard too. It is unlikely that the CPU you've linked will work with your current mortherboard, but you might want to check the motherboard's manual for that (which you can download from the manufacturer's website in case you don't have it any longer).

If you need a new motherboard, then it's equally unlikely that your current RAM module(s) will still work. Again, you'd want to verify by looking it up in the manual; this time the new motherboard's manual.

And that bestbuy link is for the CPU only, without motherboard. A motherboard would cost maybe another $200.

As for the hard drives, you can continue using your current data drive, and just attach a new SSD as system drive. You can even convert your current system drive into a second data drive. I have the same setup. Just double check and triple check during setup that you use the SSD as system drive. It's an easy mistake to select the wrong drive, and it's a mistake you don't notice until much later.

As for your Win 10 issue, the best way to fix a broken installation is downloading the newest Win 10 edition, initiating a new installation, and selecting to keep your current programs and data. (Do make a full data backup before taking these steps, just in case anything goes terribly wrong.) Like that, you can avoid doing a full wipe in most cases. However, should you decide to buy an SSD as a new system drive, in that case wiping the machine would make sense, as moving the system files to a new drive is not an easy task at all.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 6:36 PM

At risk of repetition from earlier posts:

Paul L. White:

1) Does that web page include the Motherboard?  I presume the buses have to be different.

You will likely need a new motherboard for the 9th gen CPU (socket LGA 1151). But what is your current CPU e.g. i5-6400?

Paul L. White:
2) Will the memory I have still work with that CPU?

It might. Check with the motherboard manual for this.

Paul L. White:

3) If the data drive is *not* solid state, but the C drive *is*, does that cause problems?

No. Provided they are connected properly, the motherboard will detect and use the drives accordingly i.e. one will be the boot drive (C:) and the other will be a data drive (D: by default).

Paul L. White:

4) If this setup is workable, then will Windows 10 update completely, and not just keep rebooting?  I presume Logos 9 will surely work on such a setup.

Windows 10 should update completely on this system.

Paul L. White:
I'm attaching a pic of the system information on this laptop, because it is almost identical with what is on my PC. 

This is not relevant to your proposed new PC, and doesn't help with the issue of Win 10 not installing on the current PC.

Dave
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Tom Reynolds | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 9:07 PM

My church laptop wouldn't update Windows for over a year so finally I downloaded their update tool https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows10 and reinstalled Windows (keeping my data/programs) and everything works fine and now I have the latest version. I think they called it refresh Windows or something. It keeps all your stuff but puts a new version of Windows in place of the old. If it's just a Windows problem you should be able to fix it without buying anything.

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Darrell Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 5 2021 11:56 PM

You can click on the link ‘forum activity’ beside your name to see your previous posts.

I second the suggestion to try a refresh as Microsoft calls it, failing which, a clean install, with your current setup.

Installing an SSD on the current system would give a relatively simpler clean start, with a clean install. It will be a significant boost even if it is ‘just’ using the SATA interface.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 6 2021 3:15 AM

First of all, thank you *all* for such wonderful advice.  There's no one in my town that I can find who has this wealth of knowledge on the subject.

First, let me identify more completely what happened, and then, second, see if I understand your solution suggestions.

On Drive C, the Windows Update failed, with the constant rebooting.  So I reinstalled my original Windows 10.  It worked for a while, then did the constant rebooting again.  But it would not keep my original programs.

Then I tried to reinstall my original Windows 10, and it said "cannot install to that drive," so I chose my data drive.  Windows worked on that for a while, until Windows Update, and the constant rebooting.  And that's where I sit, now, with my main PC.  Thankfully, I did a data backup a month or so before all of this happened.

I've been using my laptop to stay in touch with everyone, but can't do my serious website work on it.  So I'm desperate to get Windows 10 working on my PC.

But I hope you can see why I thought it was the computer setup that was the problem, as both of my hard drives experienced this same Windows 10 update problem.

Also, as  I mentioned, the original Windows 10 install USB wouldn't let me keep my programs.  The only option it had was to overwrite everything.  Plus, when I entered my software ID number, it wouldn't "take", so I had to use my MSN ID.

There, now for "second," the solution(s).

I have downloaded, and created, an install USB for Windows 10, version 1909.  I presume this is what one of you meant by installing a later edition of the OS.  I hope this is late enough to overcome such difficulties.

So the "solution" appears to be:  1) get a new solid state hard drive for the PC.  2)  Install Windows 10 1909.  3) Download that utility one of you mentioned to clean up Windows 10 installs.

After all of that, things should work, and Windows should update, and my Logos 9 should work okay.

I have a second PC that I bought late last summer, but haven't set up yet because this happened on PC number one.  I presume that, once I set it up, I can download the Windows update utility, and it should work.  It has a solid state *data* drive.  But not aa solid state one for C.  The Windows 10 was installed by the seller (it's refurbished).

I presume *for that second machine*, with the same mechanical setup as my current PC, but faster USB ports available, that my Windows 10 1909 should work, *as long as it allows me to use the settings and programs that are currently on the machine*.  But I may not need to use it, if I quickly install that "Windows Update Cleanup" utility.

Again, thank you all so much.  The links you have provided, the wisdom, and even the lesson on finding my previous posts, they all make me feel like I'm light years ahead of where I was just 24 hours ago.  May God give each one of you a special blessing for investing your time in this.

Paul L. White

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Darrell Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 6 2021 4:40 AM

Paul, thanks for the additional info. Hmm. I have a hunch the trouble might have to do with the way the dual drives are set up.

Have you tried the Windows 10 Update Assistant on your main PC?

As for your second PC, you could try getting it set up since the main PC is down. You could either use it as is (dual drive) or if you’re feeling adventurous you could try doing a clean install on the SSD to be the main drive.

The latest version of Windows 10 is now 20H2.

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Darrell Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 6 2021 4:49 AM

Darrell Tan:

The latest version of Windows 10 is now 20H2.

If you don’t think it wise to try this latest, perhaps try the previous version, called 2004.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 6 2021 2:23 PM

Darrell Tan,

Thank you for your kind responses.  That's a good idea on the second PC.  I now think I'll take that in and ask Best Buy to put the OS on the Solid State Drive.

But first I want to find out what is causing the Windows 10 to loop at startup after an update, and never get into the program.  If using a solid state hard drive solves that problem, then that's the route I need to go.

It sounds like you're suggesting I get an even more recent Windows Update on a USB than what I have (1909).  I obviously don't have the hardware skills that you do, and it makes me wonder if I have to download and add to a USB each update.  See where I'm coming from?

How can I set up my machine so that it will simply run all of the updates and never refuse to boot up?  That's what I need.

I will take all of these suggestions into account when I visit Best Buy on this issue.  Again, thank you, and all of the others, for your generosity of information.

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