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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 3:58 AM

JimT:
I could list some things I dislike about Logos4 as it is today, but the list of things I love about it is much longer.

Well Spoken! I agree completely. Yes

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Michael Lyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 6:08 AM

If I knew this a while back and knew that my indexer would go bad again after working for a while, I certainly wouldn't have spent the money to go to Camp Logos until next year. I expected PBB to be coming out quite soon when I decided to go. I use John Gill's commentary extensively and I can't search Logos 4. Logos 4 is still well worth the price I paid in November and I have the updated resources that I can use in 3. I still wouldn't use any other software except for some PDF versions on my Android phone since I can copy and paste them to the SD card. Logos 3 is still incredible and I know things don't always go as planned. I cannot forget the days and time spent looking through a library and copying by hand or copier everything I wanted to use in a paper or to teach with.  I hope we will always be able to use it.

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Jim VanSchoonhoven | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 7:34 AM

William Bingham, of course I am making a judgement for others by not sending them to Logos, until after they get the major part of it done.  In my case, I would not want to put them through the type of things I have gone through with Logos in the last 9 months.  Until all the different things that has happened with the release of Logos 4, I had never seen a better company and one that fixed any mistakes so quickly, since in the last 9 months Logos has made some tough mistakes, this is not just my opinion, even the president of the company knows things have not gone any where near what they expected and hoped for, and this has caused them problems in many different areas including the need for more trained help.

By waiting until they get things settled I am protecting their reputation and mine. And by not sending people to them until they have things more under control I am deciding what I think is best for those people and Logos, just like you are if you currently decided to send someone to Logos right now.

Of course if you or any one else wants to send people to them right now, that is fine with me, but I will wait and see what happens.

As for myself, I am still buying more Logos products to put in Libronix 3. Remember not everyone already has Libronix 3. Do you know if you buy Logos 4 today and never had Libronix 3, can you even get Libronix 3 to run your new modules and would you want to have to learn how to run two new products?

One last point, I teach believers how to use bible software to study the scriptues, in the last 9 months I have had more people giving up on Logos than ever before and looking for something else.  This trend really bothers me!

Some of the main concerns have been their computers were so slow with Logos 4 on it, no printing, constant updates that are huge if you don't have high speed internet, and of course as always a few have Librionix 3 and find it too hard to use, but there is a solution to this last one. Others that had looked at getting Logos 4 felt it is to expensive for the price.  In the past I could let them know about all of the free pbb modules to counter that objection, but now there are very good free products like The Word with 1000 plus modules and even more books it is very hard to make a point for Logos, without their free pbb modules.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 8:44 AM

JimVanSchoonhoven:
in the last 9 months I have had more people giving up on Logos than ever before and looking for something else.

Really?  What are they looking for that they aren't finding?

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 8:52 AM

JimVanSchoonhoven:
in the last 9 months I have had more people giving up on Logos than ever before and looking for something else

This seems to contradict the current situation in Bellingham, ie. backlog of work, long hours, constant hiring, continued expansion, etc...

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Jonathan | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 9:11 AM

JimVanSchoonhoven:

William Bingham, of course I am making a judgement for others by not sending them to Logos, until after they get the major part of it done.  In my case, I would not want to put them through the type of things I have gone through with Logos in the last 9 months.  Until all the different things that has happened with the release of Logos 4, I had never seen a better company and one that fixed any mistakes so quickly, since in the last 9 months Logos has made some tough mistakes, this is not just my opinion, even the president of the company knows things have not gone any where near what they expected and hoped for, and this has caused them problems in many different areas including the need for more trained help.

By waiting until they get things settled I am protecting their reputation and mine. And by not sending people to them until they have things more under control I am deciding what I think is best for those people and Logos, just like you are if you currently decided to send someone to Logos right now.

Of course if you or any one else wants to send people to them right now, that is fine with me, but I will wait and see what happens.

As for myself, I am still buy more Logos products to put in Libronix 3.

One last point, I teach believers how to use bible software to study the scriptues, in the last 9 months I have had more people giving up on Logos than ever before and looking for something else.  This trend really bothers me!

Jim VanSchoonhoven

I understand your initial frustration to a point. I, at first, was very critical of the update. However, I have grown to LOVE 4.0 so much more than 3.0. I haven't  even used 3.0 since Christmas day (I can hear my Libronix icon sobing Crying). You really need to give 4.0 at least a one month trial run. I could almost guarantee you will forget about 3.0. I am saying this as an initial 4.0 hater myself.

One thing you might want to consider is the ability of anyone to use both 3.0 and 4.0. If you felt comfortable recommending 3.0 before, why don't you feel comfortable recommending 3.0 now? 3.0 is the same great program it always has been. Nothing in 3.0 has been changed, canceled, destroyed, or deleted. If there is something about 4.0 you don't like you can simply go about life as if 4.0 never existed. Furthermore, 3.0 is still available to new and old customers.

Personally, I have recommended Logos to a friend and I almost have him convinced to buy a package. He downloaded both free engines and is enjoying using them both. From my experience with him, I doubt that any new customers would feel that 4.0 is a poor program or even realize that they are missing something. In fact they would likely be more happy with the program than yourself since they wouldn't be disappointed by missing features that they have never used before. I don't think a new customer would buy 4.0 and be disappointed that PBB isn't functional yet. They would likely have no clue as to what PBB is or why they would even want to mess with this feature. What new customers are interested in is books, searching, and learning. The functionality of 4.0 is SO much better at accomplishing these goals I don't know why you would  not want to recommend the tool.

Another thing you might want to consider is that Logos 4.0 is accomplishing its primary purposes. Logos is primarily a Bible program, and only secondarily a "content/book creation" tool. The things we are waiting on are really minor "bonus" selling points, not primary features that any of us initially purchased Logos for. When we bought Logos 3.0 we bought it because we could study the Bible, not because we wanted to save our sermons or make books. Anyone can save a sermon or write a book in a word processor. What we want Logos for is study! Those who buy Logos 4.0 are buying the program primarily as a library and research tool. All of these functions are working. What isn't working are a few of the cool features we "discovered" after several months of messing with 3.0 after our initial purchase.

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Stein Dahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 9:14 AM

Hello all,

I'm one of those who have kept L3 on my computers because of missing features, etc..  I absolutely love L3. . .   BUT . . .

In the last few months L4 has improved so much (with each update) that I've actually begun using it more than I use L3.  For the first time I,m really beginning to see what the potential of L4 is - and I think it has a greater potential than L3 has.  I think the 4.1 update - (if the beta is any indication) - is going to go a long way toward being able to do many of the things I'd like to do with L4.  And updates after that ? . . .   Well, it's just going to keep getting better.

That being said, I can't wait to see what the absolutely finished product will be - as in when no more significant updates are needed.  I think it's going to be great.  

I also own several other Bible software programs - as well as L3 & L4 - and if, for some reason I had to choose just one, it would have to be L4

But hey, that's just my two cents worth.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:25 AM

JimVanSchoonhoven:
By waiting until they get things settled I am protecting their reputation and mine. And by not sending people to them until they have things more under control I am deciding what I think is best for those people and Logos, just like you are if you currently decided to send someone to Logos right now.

I'd like to come to Jim's defense. When one is writing a dissertation is not the time to change to software that requires a steep learning curve or whose results you don't completely trust. And for myself, I don't want to recommend software I'm not using myself. So Jim, when you have time come back to L4 and you'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Jim VanSchoonhoven | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 23 2010 10:42 AM

Actually, the fact that Logos is selling more than ever before is not at odds with my statement that I have seen more people looking at other alternatives. 

Buying a product  and being satisfied with it are two different things.  Plus even if customer satisfaction was as high as ever, you would still have more disatisfied customers in sheer numbers.  Both are possible answers to why I am seeing a greater number.

I would like to thank MJ. Smith for her comments, she hit the nail on the head!  And I do believe that 9 months from now, I will not be using Libronix 3, and that all my work will be done in Logos 4.

Jim VanSchoonhoven

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