Would this laptop solve my Logos 4.0 problems?

Rick Harrell

I am looking at biting the bullet and buying a new laptop that will handle Logos 4. Saw this one today

Toshiba Satellite A660-BT2G22

Intel® Core™ i7 processor (quad core)

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit)

4GB DDR3 memory 500GB hard drive

1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M graphics

500 GB HD – 7200rpm Serial-ATA

DVD SuperMulti drive

16” 1366x768 native screen resolution

10/100/1000 gigabit ethernet

HDMI output

Integrated webcam

Would I have speed equivalent to 3.0 with this system?

Thanks

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Rick Harrell

My biggest issues with 4 at this point are the lag when typing in notes (which I use all the time), Slow response of the info pane, delay when using some resources (Pulpit Commentary for instance)

The cost of the Toshiba is $1019.00

Rich DeRuiter

Would I have speed equivalent to 3.0 with this system?

Thanks

Looks pretty good to me, except the system RAM is marginal; bump it to (at least) 6GB.

As far as typing in notes, experience varies widely, and it doesn't seem exclusively related to hardware.

Rick Harrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154083#Comment_154083

Thanks Richard - The notes lag is my biggest headache - it seems erratic - occasionally keeping up with my typing but usually 1 or more seconds behind which is disconcerting as I watch the screen as i type.

Mike Aubrey

I have a virtually the same computer (it looks like they're upgraded the video card since March from 512MB to 1GB).

Mine runs Logos extremely well.

Dave Hooton

Make sure it is quad-core (xxxQM) as one laptop i7 model is dual-core!

There is no guarantee about a cure for lag or response time in L4!

Mark Smith

Would I have speed equivalent to 3.0 with this system?

I believe this will take extensive testing. Have the new computer delivered to me and I will run some benchmark tests against it. No point in starting to use something if you will later be disappointed. Contact me offline for my delivery address. [;)]

Oh, and yes a quad core i7 outfitted as you have listed should do you quite nicely. If not equal to L3 close enough you'll be happy with L4.

Ward Walker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154116#Comment_154116

The specs look impressive...I'd agree with upping it to 6GB RAM...but Logos performance is tricky; Notes will cause performance issues, as will the number of windows you open, the type of tools kept open, and how you link them.

However, that laptop is going to give you the best experience that you will probably find from a laptop--especially given the power of the graphics adapter. The only thing else I can think to add would be to swap out the drive with an SSD...but those are very expensive at reasonable capacities.

George Somsel

I am looking at biting the bullet and buying a new laptop that will handle Logos 4. Saw this one today

Toshiba Satellite A660-BT2G22

Intel® Core™ i7 processor (quad core)

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit)

4GB DDR3 memory 500GB hard drive

1GB NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M graphics

500 GB HD – 7200rpm Serial-ATA

DVD SuperMulti drive

16” 1366x768 native screen resolution

10/100/1000 gigabit ethernet

HDMI output

Integrated webcam

Would I have speed equivalent to 3.0 with this system?

Thanks

This looks quite similar to the specs for my HP laptop with the following exceptions:

1l I have a dual core machine
2. I have 6 Gb of RAM
3. My screen is 17" (which provides a fairly normal keyboard)

I can run Logos 4 quite well on this. I noted the other day that I mistakenly removed the program for my Nvidia card with the result that it greatly degraded the speed of graphics and the quality of the typeface as well. This was because removing Nvidia also removed hardware emulation. I would suggest that you check the graphics card. BTW; I have thee program back on my machine, and all is now well.

Fred Chapman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154128#Comment_154128

I believe this will take extensive testing. Have the new computer delivered to me and I will run some benchmark tests against it.

Mark I am touched by the offer to sacrfice your time just to help a brother out. I hope I have the opportunity to do the same....soon. [;)]

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154163#Comment_154163

Mark I am touched by the offer to sacrfice your time just to help a brother out. I hope I have the opportunity to do the same....soon.

What would Jesus do in a situation like this I asked myself. [A]

Mike Aubrey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154140#Comment_154140

This looks quite similar to the specs for my HP laptop with the following exceptions:

1l I have a dual core machine
2. I have 6 Gb of RAM
3. My screen is 17" (which provides a fairly normal keyboard)

The 16" Toshiba's have a full size keyboard with a number pad. The difference between 15.6" and 16" is surprisingly clear and very nice.

@Frederick:

My experience has been great with mine -- go for it.

Rick Harrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154116#Comment_154116

Make sure it is quad-core (xxxQM) as one laptop i7 model is dual-core!

Thaks Dave - here is the processor: Intel® Core™ i7-740QM processor (1.73 GHz (2.93 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology), 6MB Cache

Rick Harrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154128#Comment_154128

I believe this will take extensive testing. Have the new computer delivered to me and I will run some benchmark tests against it. No point in starting to use something if you will later be disappointed. Contact me offline for my delivery address.

Mark as always you offer gracious assistance and I appreciate it.

Upgrading the machine to 6 GB results in a total of $1174.00. If there is anything out there with equivalent specs for a better price anyone knows of please let me know!

Thanks all for your help.

Mike Aubrey

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154512#Comment_154512

Upgrading the machine to 6 GB results in a total of $1174.00. If there is anything out there with equivalent specs for a better price anyone knows of please let me know!

Its not too difficult to upgrade laptop memory yourself and its significantly cheaper. many websites where you can buy memory will also help you make sure you get the right kind. And I'm sure someone here could point you in the right direction.

nicky crane

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154522#Comment_154522

I have dual core and 3gig SDRAM, and no hassle with speed, apart from things like logging in which depend on the ISP, not the computer! I admit I don't use notes. It does take a while to load a new layout and to open the homepage or a Bible study from homepage. But it's seconds, not minutes. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's new laptop.... Enjoy it!

Mike Childs

I don't think anyone can assure you of speed equal to L3, no matter what computer you purchase.

However, you will have a great experience using L4 with that computer.

Only problem I see is the 4 GB RAM. That will probably do okay, but 6 GB would be much better. If you are like me, a computer upgrade has to last me for a while. So I bit the bullet and got 8 GB RAM.. I don't think anyone ever regretted going with more RAM.

Don

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154605#Comment_154605

Though the cost is high, going SSD instead of HD speeds things and reduces power consumption.

David A Egolf

The processor clearly has enough power, but you have to be careful about heat buildup. Intel processors can lower the clock speed if they overheat. If the laptop does not have good ventilation it could run considerably slower than spec. Make sure you run it on a flat hard surface and don't block the vents.

I run Logos 4 on a 64 bit 6GB desktop. I currently have a couple of copies of Firefox, Logos 4, and WinWord running. I'm only using 4.6GB of memory. If you dedicate the machine to Logos 4 then 4 GB will work. If you tend to accumulate running applications, then 6GB certainly wouldn't hurt.

Rick Harrell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154739#Comment_154739

Thank you all for the input. Two lines from all your responses have given me pause in my consderation of a new machine:

From Richard: As far as typing in notes, experience varies widely, and it doesn't seem exclusively related to hardware

From Dave: There is no guarantee about a cure for lag or response time in L4!

I have optimized my present laptop and desktop to get the most from Logos 4 as I can. I can live with it, but it remains frustrating. If I spend the money on a new laptop and still can't get typing in notes to where it works well for me, that would be way more frustrating.

Again, thanks for the suggestions, comments, and help. I know what I need from a new laptop. You all are the best.

Rick Harrell

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/154967#Comment_154967

Thank you all for the input. Two lines from all your responses have given me pause in my consderation of a new machine:

From Richard: As far as typing in notes, experience varies widely, and it doesn't seem exclusively related to hardware

From Dave: There is no guarantee about a cure for lag or response time in L4!

I have optimized my present laptop and desktop to get the most from Logos 4 as I can. I can live with it, but it remains frustrating. If I spend the money on a new laptop and still can't get typing in notes to where it works well for me, that would be way more frustrating.

Again, thanks for the suggestions, comments, and help. I know what I need from a new laptop. You all are the best.

Rick Harrell

I would understand the frustration. But there's no way to guarantee that a hardware upgrade will solve all the problems. It's likely that your experience will improve, if for no other reason than you're installing L4 on a new system.

However, since the beginning of L4's release, there have been instances of L4 running differently on machines with very similar, hardware spec's. This suggests that there are other factors in play that we may not fully understand. This could be cause by a wide variety of issues, though I suspect that folks who like to tweak their system's internals, or in other ways use system utility programs to 'enhance' Windows will be more likely to find problems with L4 (unless you really, really know what you're doing, don't mess with the defaults in the OS!). Additionally some other software may conflict with L4. But without some extensive information, there's no way to know which ones these might be.

Your best bet for running L4 then, IMHO, is to install on a clean machine with no tweaks to the OS, and no 'helper' programs running. If you have a new computer with additional software installed, other than those things you have to have, refrain from activating them, or remove them (including games!) for now, if you can.

After that, update all your drivers. That's right, on a new machine the first thing you should do is check for driver updates! Make sure that if you're using versions of hardware specific to your computer manufacturer that you only get the driver updates that manufacturer supplies. For example, if Toshiba has it's own version of it's nVidia card, or if it buys it from a manufacturer other than nVidia (e.g. EVGA, ASUS), DO NOT update the card from the nVidia site, but only from the manufacturer's site (unless that manufacturer tells you to update from nVidia). I made that mistake once, it was a disaster.

Also check program updates, update anti-virus definitions, and install any recommended/required Windows updates.

Then, after downloading all the driver updates you can find, along with any pending updates to Windows, fully install L4: let it download and index everything. Then open it see how it runs. After you're satisfied (assuming you are) install any programs you simply can't live without one at a time, testing L4 after each install. If you find an offending program, remove it, and find an alternative.

BTW, I don't recommend installing L4 anywhere other than the default installation location. Doing anything else opens you up to any number of unknown variables. You don't want to deal with unknown variables. You want L4 to run well, and if it doesn't you don't want to deal with a bunch of unknowns. I learned this lesson a long time ago with another program.