Bible reading plan--RESOURCE reading plan

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2009 5:39 PM

JR Woods:

listen George, this is getting rediculous with your drag-me-down posts.

Yes, I did create this, there's a link called, "create a new post" at the top left, thats what I did and you have determined to turn this in a rediculous direction. I started this post with wonderful intentions of sharing an idea for a product that I knew would be helpful. All I have asked is for this to be an enjoyable post. Nobody appointed you the post police, from now on, if you got a problem, I'll give you my number and we can sort it out over the phone. but quit bogging down my post with you trying to drag down my day with your tough guy routine. I put up with enough "tough guy" stuff from my unsaved family, no one needs it from you.

Don't waste more space with negativity. Call me with your negativity 417 569 4429 so I can douse it in person, you obviously have all day to react or you wouldn't be monitoring my every post like a police wire tap. If your trying to create fear, you have succeeded in creating quite the opposite my friend. I have faced monstors in the past far more dangerous than you, fluff comments like yours dont faze me.

Honestly, can we actually talk about the proposed post subject, RESOURCE READING PLAN. I would like to seek encouragement on this post. That's why I created it. If there's more about the RESOURCE READING PLAN, I would love to hear it. I love to bounce ideas.

 

Apparently you think that you own any thread which you start.  That is not the case.  Once you post anyone is free to post whatever they desire.  If I (or anyone else) wishes to post "Mary had a little lamb", that is their privilege.  So far as I am aware Logos has very few rules regarding what is posted here -- foul language and the advertising of competitors being exceptions.  If you wish to control what is posted, I suggest that you should start your own Yahoo group so that you can determine who is allowed to post and what the posts may contain. 

If this is the way you are with your unsaved family, I have little doubt that you are not presenting a very favorable view of the faith.  I pity them.

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JR Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2009 5:53 PM

You completely missed the mark George,

My aim is not to control the content, but to see who wants to submit comments that are actually conducive to the topic.

And no, this is not the way I treat my unsaved family. I dont hold them to a high standard like I do with so called "believers" like you. For you to even talk about my family is again, rediculous. You know nothing of me, nor my family. My ten year old nephew has more productive conversation.

From now on, personal comments about me can be directed to my phone, if you have the decency to keep your personal dislikes from being publically aired. You sound like your just doing all this for attention.

Are you Opposed to talking about the subject, or is this your ONLY means of trying to make conversation?

Like I said, lets get back to the actual subject. Get off the personal comments, George. Do I need to say it again? Get off the personal comments, George. You have my number there is now no need to publish them on this forum. Get off the personal comments George.

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JR Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2009 7:00 PM

MJ Smith,

My intention was to direct the conversation away from the starter comments altogether and on to the actual subject.

I love Aquinas' Summa Theologica. I can only imagine what he would have been able to do with it if he were able to finish it. I must say, though it is a difficult read in places. That's why I love it, its a challenge. What kind of other resources would you like to include?

My current reading plan has the interlinear greek new testament, that has been wonderful to keep me fresh on my Greek. I have been such a big fan of Logos since I've had it. It made studying such an easier and more productive task. What has your experience been with it?

Oh, btw, Assembly of God Seminary in Springfield, MO has just now made Logos Bible software MANDATORY for everyone in the expository preaching track! I was rejoicing and leaping to the sky when I heard that! Nothing will prepare up coming ministers better in God's Word than that, in my opinion! (That's why its a standard issue item in the army for chaplains)

Praise God! 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2009 7:35 PM

JR Woods:
(That's why its a standard issue item in the army for chaplains)

It is? That's an interesting tidbit to store away in my brain.  If it is true, that gives Logos all the more incentive to be truly ecumenical and interfaith in their core software was well as book offerings. Only makes me more anxious for the release of the next version.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2009 11:12 PM

JR Woods:
I'll give you my number and we can sort it out over the phone.

Hi JR,

First, You might ought to consider editing out your phone number. There probably are some real crazies who don't ever post but might not hesitate calling you. Seriously Brother, delete at least the numer. (Edit feature disappears soon.)

I see you met George.Big Smile  As for the brassy verbal exchange, If you read George's comments carefully you will see some humor and lots of new perspectives. Don't feel like you are special because George engages everybody sooner or later. Although I am still convinced he is fallible (Interlinears are one such example) he frequently has a point.  Go back and read his nitpicking again and you will see he is technically correct on most of it. He just needs to work on his tactful presentation. Devil  (And, No, George is not the forum patrol or the special child who is exempt from accepted behavior. )

Back to the original topic: YES, I would just love to have a customizable reading plan that could potentially handle all of my Libronix library

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2009 12:38 AM

MJ. Smith:

I also find it based on poor analysis (professional opinion) for the following reasons:
1) Using Wikipedia numbers, the canon supported is less than the accepted canon for 1,654,000,000 Christians world wide i.e. about 79% of the Christians
2) The canon supported represents a common canon for less than 25% of church history
3) People using Logos are apt to be using reading plans for purposes in addition to personal Bible Study.
4) The current configuration does not easily accept a number of common readings plans - Zondervan, Chronological, International Standard Lesson readings etc. for which Logos users may wish to plan OR read
5) The current configuration does not link easily to reading cycles of the liturgical traditions - for example, the 2 year reading cycle of scripture in the Office of Readings [readings essentially continuous through a book, books not in order]
6) The current straight through configuration assumes a single sequence while the real world has multiple sequences - the most obvious being the Tanahk vs. "standard American Protestant"
7) I have no objection with people who need only its current functionality continuing to use it as they do now.

MJ,        my thoughts on your latest list:
1) Using Wikipedia numbers, many of the 1,654,000,000 Christians cited don't use Bible software or own computers.
2) Logo Bible software has only been around for the last 1.25% of that church history. Give them a chance to get rolling.
3) Touché!
4) I wish it did. Reese Chronological Bible would be another to add.
5) Not being a lectionary user I have no comment. You probably know what you're talking about.
6) My son read the World Book Encyclopedia straight through A~Z and he survived. He did annoy the rest of the family with his discoveries.
7) Me neither.

I envision Logos being my centralized master reading management system, even for books outside of my Libronix resources. Britannica's Great Books of the Western World is still under copyright but if I could create a custom reading plan on the order of Mortimer J Adler's Paideia Proposal, I could use it to track my progress through the hardback versions. One last addition would be a comprehensive scripture memorization program. (I am aware of the Memlok program in Logos format. Memlok takes 10 yrs for 700 verses.) My son memorizes whole books of the Bible. We need broader choices. As time goes on I am sure we will see some of them.

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JR Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:36 AM

Oh, it's true alright, I am in chaplaincy in the Army and I know about this tidbit first hand. Yea, funny story about my experience with that, I went ahead and bought the Logos Gold, and not soon after I finished paying for the whole system, the Army mailed me a scholar's Library. I wanted to thank them and slat them at the same time. That is why I am really focusing on getting our Candidates to become proficient with the software now so it will become a great resource for themselves and those soldiers they serve.

There is so much good that can be accomplished here.

I have also donated a desktop computer to my church with the intention of getting them to purchase Logos for the congregation. If we can have single books at the church library there should be a Logos system available for people to come in and use. I can picture now how well versed our congregation would be when they are able to use the system and skyrocket their learning from it!

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JR Woods | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:54 AM

Matthew,

I appreciate your concern sir, about my number, I'll just leave that up there so he has no excuse to put personal slights on this post. I have no problem with crazies, I deal with them everyday.

Anyway, I am elated to see that people are responding to the RESOURCE READING PLAN, I am praying they will make it happen.

One of the commentary sets that have just come out that I would love to have a Resource Reading plan for that I just placed on prepub is the wonderful NICOT/NICNT! I can't tell you how many times my professors at Assembly of God seminary, when I was there, told our classes, "we only prefer you to use this commentary (besides Word Biblical commentary) for our assignments" I was gritting my teeth and pounding my desk that I couldn't have that in my library at the time, but, God is on the move, AMEN!

And yes, I did pick up on George's good info when he passed it along, I just won't allow him, or anyone, to think they can slap someone in the face without repercussions. I created this post so people can enjoy themselves and be encouraged. I hope we continue in that direction.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2009 11:45 AM

Matthew C Jones:
1) Using Wikipedia numbers, many of the 1,654,000,000 Christians cited don't use Bible software or own computers.

Quite true - although it is surprising who does. About 10 years ago I was visiting the web site of a Nepalese high school four hours uphill from the nearest road. Their teacher had carried (in pieces) both computers and a generator up to the school so that his rural students would have a chance to make a go of it in an urban setting.  They maintained a very well built website and offered web design services to support the project.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:58 PM

MJ. Smith:

1) I object to the definition of Scripture being limited to the post 18th century definition of certain Western protestant groups

2) I object to the assumption of sequential reading

3) I object to the destruction of any hand-built reading plan by actual reading ... rather than invoking an instance of a template ...

4) I object to the lack of coordination with the lectionary [to which I also have a list of objections]

5) I object to having to have so many objections ...

Okay, I have discovered that objection 3 is not (or is no longer) valid. When one builds a string manually you CAN save it for repeating. I will now test it out on the "worst case" - a plan that skips days. However, if my hardest case doesn't work there is a "simple" work-around that I don't mind.

I have discovered that objection 1 is not (or is no longer) valid. The reading plan defaults to the sequence of books in the Bible that one selects. Not perfect but quite acceptable.

The manual building of a string is a pain in that a long string is not user friendly for proofreading but it's acceptable, especially if people share their strings.

Obviously, I have to back off on objection 5.

Which leaves only one objection - one that has little impact on the general user. So okay, Logos, I promise to eat my words if you provide me with a copy of them written on a German chocolate cake.Smile

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 12 2009 4:46 PM

MJ. Smith:
So okay, Logos, I promise to eat my words if you provide me with a copy of them written on a German chocolate cake.Smile

I'd be perfectly happy if I could get a pineapple upside down cake like my mommy used to make.  Actually, I can have one any time I want, but I have to fix it, and I never called her "mommy" but always "mother."  I miss her -- especially at this time of year since Christmas was always magical.

george
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