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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Aug 14 2010 2:01 PM

Ok, I'm almost there!  I've weighed the iPad vs the Kindle and am thinking iPad simply because the Kindle will not allow me to interface with L4. So I'm thinking the iPad will allow me to have a moble L4 for classroom, travel, etc.

Given that decision should which memory configuration will suit me? I have Scholar's Platinum 4, obvioulsy the 64GB would be my choice if I had unlimited funds. But can I get by with 16GB? Thanks for any advice!

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Steve Hultquist | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 2:20 PM

'Twon't be a problem with 16GB. I'm using 32, but most of that is HD video from the Apple WWDC! L4 really doesn't take much, depending only on how many resources you download and keep local.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 2:32 PM

I recommend you consider purchasing LogMeIn Ignition 9an app or iPad) and you can use L4 by remotely controlling your PC. I use it on my phone; I imagine the extra screen real estate of the iPad would make this a great alternative when the Logos app doesn't provide the resourse/functionality desired.

 

As for memory, if you will most often be in range of a wireless connection (either through wifi or by pruchasing the 3g model) there is no reason Logos resources would make you go for a bigger memory model. If on the other hand you plan on being disconnected for long periods of time, you may need more memory. But remember, at this time, the Logos app is pretty much nothing but a reader (no search functionality even) for offline books. 

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 6:29 PM

Jacob Hantla:

But remember, at this time, the Logos app is pretty much nothing but a reader (no search functionality even) for offline books. 

Hmmm, so excluding the LogMeIn Ignition functionality, the iPad's no different than a Kindle with the exception that there's no Logos app for the Kindle. Is that a fair statement? If so, then the question becomes will/when will Logos make an app for the Kindle? Is that likely?

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 6:43 PM

I believe I have read that the refresh rate is slow on e-ink displays like the a kindle has, which makes them limited for "computer" type applications.  

"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"      Wiki Table of Contents

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Chris Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 7:41 PM

when one says the ipad is only a 'reader' for Logos when away from an internet connection, they mean it only serves to read through your content instead of the usual ability while connected online to use the searching and interactive features.  but the ipad is still immensilly different than the kindle.  the kindle is literally only a reader.  it has one function it does well, i.e. flip pages slowiy on an e-ink screen.

the ipad is a mobile computer. even if the logos app is only a 'reader' while offline, that is still quite the feature considering you have acess to most of your content.  but the ipad does so much more than just reading.  it is literally a computing platform.  you have applications that give you so much more functionality than just a reader.  so its not like getting an ipad and getting a kindle will be the same experience just because currently the logos app only serves the purpose of a 'reader' when not on the internet.  the ipad does millions of other things.  the kindle does pretty much no other things.

lets say you sit down at starbucks on some free wi-fi to study a moment.  for example, when finished reading in the logos app, you might switch over to Evernote, your note management app to jot down a few thoughts, and quotes, and organize them into your note folders titled 'quotes' and 'study thoughts.'  then you might run over to check your calendar for tonite.  realizing you have more time free this afternoon than you thought, you would switch over to your Dropbox app to refer to your pdfs and word documents (all wireless synced automatically from your home computer) stored in a study folder you collected from the last few weeks pertaining to the topic in mind.  you might then write a quick email to a friend whom you want to contact concerning the topic.  you then open up your word processor on your ipad (pages is great) to type out some longer notes on the study ideas.  you then open the itunes store, find that class you remember seeing online from a particular seminary on itunes university (lets say Westminster theological seminary), navigate to it and start to listen to the lecture concerning union with Christ.  or maybe you run over to your videos app to watch or listen to sermons you downloaded.  you then take a break, open another app to check on the deliver staus of a package you mailed to your sister, play a round 'angry birds' and then open your recipe app to plan for dinner.

quite amazing. it all happens on a 10 inch window in your hands, like some sort of magical book. 

 

if you can save the extra, get the ipad.

-chris

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Aug 14 2010 8:07 PM

James Thompson:

Jacob Hantla:

But remember, at this time, the Logos app is pretty much nothing but a reader (no search functionality even) for offline books. 

Hmmm, so excluding the LogMeIn Ignition functionality, the iPad's no different than a Kindle with the exception that there's no Logos app for the Kindle. Is that a fair statement? If so, then the question becomes will/when will Logos make an app for the Kindle? Is that likely?

Apple's App Store has many free book readers for iPad: Amazon Kindle, B&N eReader, Borders eBooks, CloudReaders (PDF's), Free Books, ...

Logos needs internet connectivity for: "Search", "Passage Guide", "Bible Word Study", "Text Comparison".  When not connected to Internet, Library shows resources available offline (with airplane icon).  Holman Bible Atlas appears in color on iPad (maps and pictures look good) - challenging to download for offline use (needed many attempts).

Thanks to Logos forums, learned Handbrake useful for reducing size of Greek and Hebrew language videos for use on 16 GB iPad (with 8.25 GB free).

For astronomy, Planets application has 3-D sky view - helpful to "see" constellations (from earthly perspective).

The iPad had iPod application for playing music in background while reading Logos Library (not available on Kindle).

An iPad disadvantage is many free colorful, fun games (e.g. Harbor Master, Air Hockey Gold, ...).

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 3:53 AM

James Thompson:
the iPad's no different than a Kindle with the exception that there's no Logos app for the Kindle. Is that a fair statement?

I would say this is not a fair statement. The key is offline. If you are connected to the internet through WiFi you will be able to conduct searches, passage guides, exegetical guides, etc. of the majority of your library (I have about 2400 books in my Logos library. Roughly 1600 of them are available on the Ipad) I Say this owning an Ipod touch, not an Ipad. However the application's functionality is pretty much the same between both, as far as I understand it.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 7:37 AM

Philip Spitzer:
I Say this owning an Ipod touch, not an Ipad. However the application's functionality is pretty much the same between both, as far as I understand it.

I hope this doesn't sound insulting as that is not intended, but to say that iPod Touch Logos app and the iPad app is the same is like saying watching a movie on a 19" TV is the same as watching it on a 50" TV. The larger screen makes the iPad much more enjoyable. Now if only we had split screen viewing that would make it a huge difference.

But as far as functionality, you are correct. They are essentially the same except for size.

And I do agree that the iPad is vastly different than the Kindle I have both. If all you want to do is read books downloaded from Amazon (or are willing to go through the process of making your own) then a Kindle is great. But the iPad does so much more that I would never say they are the same.

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 12:44 PM

Thanks all! I appreciate the comments. I especially appreciated Kevin P's comments since he has both devices  -- and a deeper pocket apparently Wink...

I'll keep you posted on my purchase, now to go soften some ribs....   Yes

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 12:51 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
I hope this doesn't sound insulting as that is not intended, but to say that iPod Touch Logos app and the iPad app is the same is like saying watching a movie on a 19" TV is the same as watching it on a 50" TV. The larger screen makes the iPad much more enjoyable. Now if only we had split screen viewing that would make it a huge difference.

Trust me, I understand the differences. My Jealous side understands the differences all too well. I'm actually using it on a 1st gen touch, which is extra slow sometimes, too.

 

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 2:26 PM

Jerry M:
I believe I have read that the refresh rate is slow on e-ink displays like the a kindle has, which makes them limited for "computer" type applications.  

As a Kindle user, I would disagree that refresh rate on e-ink is the problem.  Not at all.   e-ink is the better reading tool by far.  Reading Logos resources on the Kindle is fine IF you have a wifi Kindle or a great 3g connection.  Otherwise, it is too slow because you cannot download Logos resources on to the Kindle.  That means that it must get every few pages from the net.  That is where the refresh rate is a problem.  If you could store Logos resources on the Kindle, then Kindle would be by far the best way to do extensive reading - like cover to cover - of Logos books.  Alas, it isn't so. 

For that reason, the iPad is way to go.

 

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 4:01 PM

Michael Childs:

Jerry M:
I believe I have read that the refresh rate is slow on e-ink displays like the a kindle has, which makes them limited for "computer" type applications.  

As a Kindle user, I would disagree that refresh rate on e-ink is the problem.  Not at all.   e-ink is the better reading tool by far.  Reading Logos resources on the Kindle is fine IF you have a wifi Kindle or a great 3g connection.  Otherwise, it is too slow because you cannot download Logos resources on to the Kindle.  That means that it must get every few pages from the net.  That is where the refresh rate is a problem.  If you could store Logos resources on the Kindle, then Kindle would be by far the best way to do extensive reading - like cover to cover - of Logos books.  Alas, it isn't so. 

For that reason, the iPad is way to go.

 

I agree that e-ink is definitely a better reading technology.  I was referring to the technological hurdles relating to video, for example and not personal reading experience.

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Aug 15 2010 9:39 PM

E ink being a better reading experience is subjective. I can't stand it, give me my iPad any day. When lying in bed all I have to do is triple click the home button and it goes instantly to white letters on a black page, making it easier for my wife to sleep, the Kindle can't do that, oh wait I guess it doesn't matter since you can't read a kindle in the dark anyway. Just my 2 cents.

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Ralph A. Abernethy III | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2010 7:42 AM

I took the iPad plunge 9 days ago to take advantage of NC's tax-free weekend.  I ordered the 16G wifi model.  Estimated shipping date - August 20th.  Estimated delivery - August 25th.  Seems like a long wait, but I suppose delayed gratification is a good thing. Wink

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James Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2010 8:54 AM

Ralph A. Abernethy III:

I took the iPad plunge 9 days ago to take advantage of NC's tax-free weekend.  I ordered the 16G wifi model.  Estimated shipping date - August 20th.  Estimated delivery - August 25th.  Seems like a long wait, but I suppose delayed gratification is a good thing. Wink

Hey Ralph, when you get it I'd appreciate your observations after you've used it for a while....

 

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Ralph A. Abernethy III | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 16 2010 2:22 PM

Will do, James.

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 18 2010 10:01 AM

Considering an iPad instead of a Kindle, but very much a novice concerning Apple products...

Can I use LogMeIn to connect through my iPad to my PC???

I'm sorry if this question disturbs the ether surrounding Apple/PC polaritiesStick out tongue, but I have a PC at home and no intention of changing that, but need the portability and functionality of the iPad away from home...

Esther

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Andrew Hughes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 18 2010 11:25 AM

Esther Jones:

Considering an iPad instead of a Kindle, but very much a novice concerning Apple products...

Can I use LogMeIn to connect through my iPad to my PC???

I'm sorry if this question disturbs the ether surrounding Apple/PC polaritiesStick out tongue, but I have a PC at home and no intention of changing that, but need the portability and functionality of the iPad away from home...

Esther

I haven't used LogMeIn... but from their website it looks like the answer is yes https://secure.logmein.com/US/products/Ignition/iphone/

The iPad app costs about $30 from what I can tell and works with their LogMeIn free offering https://secure.logmein.com/US/products/free/

I have used other apps like a straight RDP (Microsoft's remote Desktop) Client and VNC based apps, and they work well for accessing my Windows Vista and Windows 7 PCs on the iPad. 

Hope that helps.

Andrew

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Roger Feenstra | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 19 2010 8:24 AM

I have the 32G.  I rarely use the 3G mode since it seems I'm always around hotspots, but it is nice to have as a backup.  I use both the Kindle and the iPad since all my Kindle books (those I can't buy on Logos) sync to my iPad and my iPhone, so I have the best of both worlds. I enjoy reading on the Kindle more than I do the iPad, especially outdoors.

I use the L4 Passage Guide often on my iPad (and iPhone). While it doesn't have all of my books, it does have enough to allow me to get a handle on a passage. Just wish it had highlighting and notes.

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