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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 8:02 AM

Bill Shewmaker:
For those who represent/resemble the Restoration Movement, we sometimes try to hide that diversity instead of embrace it.

that IS an unfortunate part of "our" culture.  And it is why, in a nice little graph that MJ made of the branches/heritages of various church traditions, the RM was off by itself.   Hasn't been my own perspective, however.

 

BACK on topic, well, sort of: anybody want to share how they use their "jewish" library in Portfolio (or whatever?)  I posed that question because i would like to get WAY more use out of it, but don't have it worked into the flow of what I do on a  weekly basis.  IOW, where does research in those sources come in handy (especially from a Christian pastor or Christian Bible student perspective), and how does that research take shape for you?  Or do I need to start another thread on this more specific subject?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 12:51 PM

MJ. Smith:

fgh:
I must be the ultimate minority, then: formally Lutheran, theologically Catholic, and with Jewish and Orthodox interests -- and then Swedish on top of that!

You clearly are successful as a minority ... and I must admit you outdo me: raised Campbellite, Catholic with Jewish, Orthodox, Church of the East and Buddhist interests. My grandmother was a Finnish Lutheran (as in services in Finnish) but I can't really count that.Sad

But now I see why I often agree with your taste in resources.Big Smile

I could have added that I went to Anglican Sunday Mass for half a year while in England Smile but I'm not doing that again, so i didn't. Most High Church Swedes seem to love the CoE, but I'm obviously the exception. Thankfully I could go to Catholic weekday Masses.

On another note: this forum is obviously very good for learning new words. 3 days ago I learnt the word 'Christadelphian', the day after another word I can't remember right now, yesterday it was 'Campbellite', and today it's 'Restoration Movement'. Haven't had time to look up the latter two yet, though. 'Arminian' is another one I should check out. How on earth do Americans keep track of all different denominations?? That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:11 PM

Dan

I don't have them yet, but the first thing I would do would be to prioritize the JPS Commentaries. But I presume you've thought of that.

The second thing I would do would be to use the dictionary/encyclopaedia kind of resources for researching 'anything Jewish' that turns up in the texts: holy days, marriage customs, mosaic laws, ritual objects, or whatever.

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doc | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:25 PM

Dan DeVilder:

BACK on topic, well, sort of: anybody want to share how they use their "jewish" library in Portfolio (or whatever?)  I posed that question because i would like to get WAY more use out of it, but don't have it worked into the flow of what I do on a  weekly basis.  IOW, where does research in those sources come in handy (especially from a Christian pastor or Christian Bible student perspective), and how does that research take shape for you?  Or do I need to start another thread on this more specific subject?

At the moment I am using it mainly for devotional reading / personal bible study, rather than any in depth research project.  I am working through reading the Torah, Haftarah, and Brit Chadashah readings for the next twelve months, using the Tanakh and Five Books of Moses as my base texts, the Walk Devotional Commentaries for my daily reading guide,  and then using JPS Torah commentaries to get more deeply into the text , and then using the other resources available to research topics of interest from a Jewish perspective that arise from my readings and studies. So at the moment its a simple use of what is available, but as  I have no Jewish background, for me it's a starting point into these resources and opportunity to get some basic exposure and understanding so in the future I can make  more use of these resources, as well as spending some times in one of my favourite portions of the bible.

 

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:40 PM

fgh:
On another note: this forum is obviously very good for learning new words. 3 days ago I learnt the word 'Christadelphian', the day after another word I can't remember right now, yesterday it was 'Campbellite', and today it's 'Restoration Movement'. Haven't had time to look up the latter two yet, though. 'Arminian' is another one I should check out. How on earth do Americans keep track of all different denominations?? That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

M.J.'s chart is here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/8068/64481.aspx#64481

There are also several helpful charts on the wikipedia page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination#Historical_schisms_and_methods_of_classification_scheme

You should look up Restoration Movement (aka, Stone-Campbell Movement, Campbellite, Christian Churches, Churches of Christ, etc)  to better understand where it fits.  The charts don't make it clear.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:41 PM

Ouch, OUCH, OUCH!!                My head is exploding.

Please everyone, this original post is too important to be lost in our one-upmanship.

I think Rabbi Gurvis,  Jo Scruggs, and others with special focus on Hebraic studies should give their suggested resource lists to Logos for possible collections.

We have already seen good responsiveness from Logos in the breaking up of large collections into smaller pieces to meet the needs of users. We could appeal to Logos to build "special " collections they may have not yet imagined. (I think they have done a great job so far, but let's keep it going.)

Maybe we can do a demographics thread elsewhere. I love talking Stone/Campbell movement as it is my in my heritage, just not here.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:44 PM

Eric Gurvis:

As a rabbi I would love to see a discounted package (like you others) which offers the Jewish resources you market as a separate purchasable package.

Rabbi Eric Gurvis -- a longtime Logos customer!

How about it Logos?  What a way to increase the visibility and reach of your product!

(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around.  Big Smile )

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:46 PM

Todd Phillips:

How about it Logos?  What a way to increase the visibility of Logos.

(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around.  Big Smile )

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:46 PM

MJ. Smith:
. [Minority includes Jewish, Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox ...

... Methodist.]   

But whether we are a minority or not, I too would like to see a set of Jewish materials to be made available - especially after the recent discussion on Moses.

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doc | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:49 PM

Todd Phillips:
(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around.  Big Smile )

Off Topic but helpful resources you pointed out, so thanks.

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Eric Gurvis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 1:54 PM

Here a\re some of the items you already offer, but only in the top line edition which I, as a rabbi, would find useful:

The Encyclopaedia of Judaism (5 Vols.)
Entering the High Holy Days
A History of the Jewish People in the Time of Jesus Christ (5 Vols.)
Image and Reality: The Jews in the World of the Christians in the Second Century
Jewish Law (4 Vols.)
JPS Dictionary of Jewish Words
JPS Guide to Jewish Traditions

Legends of the Jews

JPS Tanakh Commentary Collection (9 Vols.)

Plus your soon to be released Midrash works

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 2:42 PM

Rabbi Eric

Forgive me for asking this again, but you do know about the Early Judaism Bundle and the Hebrew Bible Bundle, don't you?

 

Todd

Thanks! I'll look into it when I get some time.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 6 2010 5:56 PM

fgh:
That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

They are somewhere on the forums earlier but I'm not finding them. My new version of Inspiration 8 is overzealous in its autoformating so some lines are hidden in the overlap but ...

 

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Giovanni Baggio | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 10:22 AM

Big Smile Hello Hebrews and Shebrews! I totally agree with logos making a special Jewish resource bundle.  It will be great to have it.  I have my own customized logos resources more than the portafolio, but I do not have many of the resources that the portafolio offers.  I would definitely buy the JPS resources and other Jewish resources if they came in a little bit cheaper and in a nice go'old bundle form.  That's all folks!

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Eric Gurvis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 7 2010 1:28 PM

Yes these are bundles (Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism) that are available --

a) Not all of these resources are from Jewish sources. (That does not make not them unworthy, but they are sources about early Judaism, often prepared from Christian perspective.  They are certainly worthy resources but not necessarily resources that would appeal to Jewish students and scholars studying the Biblical texts or historical period from a Jewish perpective.)

b) The JPS Bundle looks great -- as one who already owns two hardcover sets, the cost to add the electronic versions is high (even higher than obtaining the books themselves.)

I understand this is complicated.  It's just disappointing that most of the terrific Jewish sources you have available are only available in the Portfolio edition, or as stand alones.

Rabbi Eric Gurvis

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