Jewish Resources in Portfolio

Suggestion for Logos: You have wonderful resources available in the Portfolio collection which would be of great interest to folks like myself (a rabbi working within the Jewish community) like all of the JPS resources. At present the only options seem to be to purchase these individually, or as part of the Portfolio version of Logos. Both options are very costly.

As a rabbi I would love to see a discounted package (like you others) which offers the Jewish resources you market as a separate purchasable package.

Thanks for considering this!

Rabbi Eric Gurvis -- a longtime Logos customer!

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Milford Charles Murray

Suggestion for Logos: You have wonderful resources available in the Portfolio collection which would be of great interest to folks like myself (a rabbi working within the Jewish community) like all of the JPS resources. At present the only options seem to be to purchase these individually, or as part of the Portfolio version of Logos. Both options are very costly.

As a rabbi I would love to see a discounted package (like you others) which offers the Jewish resources you market as a separate purchasable package.

Thanks for considering this!

Rabbi Eric Gurvis -- a longtime Logos customer!

Peace to you, Rabbi Gurvis! *smile*

I have Portfolio and the items you are eager for. Some excellent, very excellent(!) material. I consider myself blessed to have access to these works. I would encourage Logos to try to find a discount package for you and others desiring some of these lovely books!

Methinks it would also be to Logos "profit" as well............

MJ. Smith

Welcome to the forums. I am always excited to see members of the "minority users" on the forums. [Minority includes Jewish, Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox ...] It is important to get your feedback on resources and functions. It has been suggested recently that packages for Catholics and Orthodox be made. I see the same idea extending to the Jewish community as well.

Out of personal curiosity, I wonder what resources and functions you, as a rabbi, would most like to see added to Logos.

Jo Scruggs

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167817#Comment_167817

Hi, everyone.

I am a student working toward my Bachelor of Biblical Studies (from a Hebraic Perspective). I would love to see as many Hebraic resources as possible in all genres.

I have the base edition of the Scholar's edition because it is the least expensive required for my studies. I am SO thankful for LOGOS! Hebrew and Greek languages at the click of a button rather than after hours of searching through many books is a wonderful gift to me though I don't really have a full appreciation for it since I am relatively new to the school and have had to do very little word studies up to this point. Thank you!

I hope to add many books to my library and so I thank you for considering as many Hebraic resources as possible.

Shalom...

~jo

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/177739#Comment_177739

This is a great idea!

Welcome to the forums, Eric and Jo!

Do either of you have some specific suggestions of other Jewish/Hebraic resources Logos should add, in addition to the ones already available as part of Portfolio?

Martha, I wouldn't have thought Lutherans would count as a "minority" group among Logos users -- there are tons of Lutheran resources and an entire product guide dedicated to them.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/177949#Comment_177949

Peace to you, Rosie and Martha, et al.

14,000,000 of Lutheran nomenclature in United States

70-72,000,000 throughout the world

minority? depends on whether you're comparing apples or oranges or pears, I guess! *smile*

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167817#Comment_167817

I am always excited to see members of the "minority users" on the forums. [Minority includes Jewish, Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox ...]

Anglicans & Lutherans are minority users? I am not sure about that.

Ted

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178071#Comment_178071

Peace to you, Rosie and Martha, et al.

14,000,000 of Lutheran nomenclature in United States

70-72,000,000 throughout the world

minority? depends on whether you're comparing apples or oranges or pears, I guess! *smile*

Hi Milford. I don't think it's a question of how many of them there are in the US or the world (after all, there are over 1 billion Catholics), but rather how many Logos users would categorize themselves as Lutheran. Martha does have a point about the others. I do think Catholic, Orthodox, Jewish, and Anglican traditions are probably minimally represented among customers, simply because Logos has historically not carried many resources of specific interest to them. But they do have a lot of Lutheran-specific resources.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178094#Comment_178094

Peace Rosie!

I hear you, and I concur and agree..... *smile*

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178093#Comment_178093

Anglicans & Lutherans are minority users? I am not sure about that.

When someone new to the forum asks about a resource or researching a theological point and people don't assume the correct answer is evangelical, I will consider removing Lutherans from my minority list. When sermon preparation and Bible lessons handle the multi-text lectionary as easily as they handle individually selected passages, I will consider revising my minority list. When the deuterocanonical/apocryphal books used by (European) Lutherans, Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox et. al. are as comprehensively listed in the Biblical People, Places, Things, the cross-references, etc. then I will consider revising my minority list. Yes, the Lutherans are among the better off of the minority groups for two very good reasons:

The Lutheran presses have embraced Logos and produced a number of necessary resources
The Lutheran presses and Lutheran scholar produce some of the best available Biblical scholarship.

I'm not complaining - Logos has done well meeting the needs of their core constituency which keeps them financial solvent. Their actions show that they are reaching out to a broader market. To help them succeed in this endeavor, minorities need to spread the word among their colleagues and let Logos know what is needed (and financially viable).

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178106#Comment_178106

help this minority out by suggesting some good ways to use my Jewish resources in Portfolio. I have not worked them into a regular flow. I have made a collection. But those of you that use them frequently, especially for Bible study, what are your top 2 or 3 ways of using them (beyond the Hebrew Bible and language dictionaries, I mean).

And, ON topic: I like the idea of a Jewish base package.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178106#Comment_178106

Hi Martha if I now understand you, you were referring to the number of Lutheran & Anglican resources available in Logos not users as your post suggested. In that case, Orthodox would be in the bottom low of the minority in terms of available resources.

Ted

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178094#Comment_178094

I do think ...... Anglican traditions are probably minimally represented among customers, simply because Logos has historically not carried many resources of specific interest to them.

I must disagree. Though there are not much Anglican resources available in Logos. It is quite a stretch to suggest that not much Anglicans use Logos or are Logos customers. That said, I agree with the wider point you and Martha are making.

Ted

fgh

At present the only options seem to be to purchase these individually, or as part of the Portfolio version of Logos. Both options are very costly.

You do know about the Early Judaism Bundle and the Hebrew Bible Bundle, don't you? That's how I intend to buy [most of] the Jewish resources some day. And I presume you've seen the Talmud and the Jewish Encyclopaedia among the pre-pubs?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167817#Comment_167817

I thought I already posted this, but it didn't turn up so I'll try again...

I am always excited to see members of the "minority users" on the forums. [Minority includes Jewish, Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox ...]

I must be the ultimate minority, then: formally Lutheran, theologically Catholic, and with Jewish and Orthodox interests -- and then Swedish on top of that! [:)]

(Which is why I end up having to pay maybe 10 times as much as Evangelicals for the same amount of useful resources! (And that is if they're available at all.))

(You can add that one to your list of 'I'll revise my list of minorities when...'!)

Bohuslav Wojnar

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178261#Comment_178261

Maybe Logos knows exactly the statistics of their various customer groups but it would be good to do some survey of that kind and publish the results in the blog. It can show us how it is with the minority groups and how it corresponds to the number of resources specific to those groups.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178315#Comment_178315

I think if we each define ourselves by our denominational backgrounds and leanings we are all in a minority of some sort. If you count churches I've been a member of, my baptism, theological education, Bible study groups I've been part of, worship styles I feel comfortable with, and reading interests, I'm part Episcopalian/Anglican, Congregational, Presbyterian, Quaker, Anabaptist/Mennonite, Catholic, non-denominational Evangelical, emergent, post-Evangelical, and transdenominational (Regent College's term that means more than "inter-denominational" because it is a conscious dialogue between multiple denominations but also transcends denominationalism altogether). I doubt there are any other Logos users with exactly the same makeup as me. And with a few exceptions (some of which are represented in Logos resources that I tend to avoid -- which will remain nameless), I would like to learn more about most other Judeo-Christian traditions...and beyond.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178261#Comment_178261

I must be the ultimate minority, then: formally Lutheran, theologically Catholic, and with Jewish and Orthodox interests -- and then Swedish on top of that!

You clearly are successful as a minority ... and I must admit you outdo me: raised Campbellite, Catholic with Jewish, Orthodox, Church of the East and Buddhist interests. My grandmother was a Finnish Lutheran (as in services in Finnish) but I can't really count that.[:(]

But now I see why I often agree with your taste in resources.[:D]

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178531#Comment_178531

raised Campbellite

lol, I still can't get over that! And yours was a pretty hardcore group of "Campbellites", too, wasn't it?

Bill Shewmaker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178586#Comment_178586

raised Campbellite

lol, I still can't get over that! And yours was a pretty hardcore group of "Campbellites", too, wasn't it?

Dan,

Isn't it prerequisite to be a hardcore "Campbellite" to even wear the name of Campbellite...jk [:D]. If we really do look at our heritages, we find that most of us have "multiple personalities" and are usually strengthened by that diversity. For those who represent/resemble the Restoration Movement, we sometimes try to hide that diversity instead of embrace it.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178598#Comment_178598

For those who represent/resemble the Restoration Movement, we sometimes try to hide that diversity instead of embrace it.

that IS an unfortunate part of "our" culture. And it is why, in a nice little graph that MJ made of the branches/heritages of various church traditions, the RM was off by itself. Hasn't been my own perspective, however.

BACK on topic, well, sort of: anybody want to share how they use their "jewish" library in Portfolio (or whatever?) I posed that question because i would like to get WAY more use out of it, but don't have it worked into the flow of what I do on a weekly basis. IOW, where does research in those sources come in handy (especially from a Christian pastor or Christian Bible student perspective), and how does that research take shape for you? Or do I need to start another thread on this more specific subject?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/178531#Comment_178531

I must be the ultimate minority, then: formally Lutheran, theologically Catholic, and with Jewish and Orthodox interests -- and then Swedish on top of that!

You clearly are successful as a minority ... and I must admit you outdo me: raised Campbellite, Catholic with Jewish, Orthodox, Church of the East and Buddhist interests. My grandmother was a Finnish Lutheran (as in services in Finnish) but I can't really count that.

But now I see why I often agree with your taste in resources.

I could have added that I went to Anglican Sunday Mass for half a year while in England [:)] but I'm not doing that again, so i didn't. Most High Church Swedes seem to love the CoE, but I'm obviously the exception. Thankfully I could go to Catholic weekday Masses.

On another note: this forum is obviously very good for learning new words. 3 days ago I learnt the word 'Christadelphian', the day after another word I can't remember right now, yesterday it was 'Campbellite', and today it's 'Restoration Movement'. Haven't had time to look up the latter two yet, though. 'Arminian' is another one I should check out. How on earth do Americans keep track of all different denominations?? That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179046#Comment_179046

Dan

I don't have them yet, but the first thing I would do would be to prioritize the JPS Commentaries. But I presume you've thought of that.

The second thing I would do would be to use the dictionary/encyclopaedia kind of resources for researching 'anything Jewish' that turns up in the texts: holy days, marriage customs, mosaic laws, ritual objects, or whatever.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179046#Comment_179046

BACK on topic, well, sort of: anybody want to share how they use their "jewish" library in Portfolio (or whatever?) I posed that question because i would like to get WAY more use out of it, but don't have it worked into the flow of what I do on a weekly basis. IOW, where does research in those sources come in handy (especially from a Christian pastor or Christian Bible student perspective), and how does that research take shape for you? Or do I need to start another thread on this more specific subject?

At the moment I am using it mainly for devotional reading / personal bible study, rather than any in depth research project. I am working through reading the Torah, Haftarah, and Brit Chadashah readings for the next twelve months, using the Tanakh and Five Books of Moses as my base texts, the Walk Devotional Commentaries for my daily reading guide, and then using JPS Torah commentaries to get more deeply into the text , and then using the other resources available to research topics of interest from a Jewish perspective that arise from my readings and studies. So at the moment its a simple use of what is available, but as I have no Jewish background, for me it's a starting point into these resources and opportunity to get some basic exposure and understanding so in the future I can make more use of these resources, as well as spending some times in one of my favourite portions of the bible.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179158#Comment_179158

On another note: this forum is obviously very good for learning new words. 3 days ago I learnt the word 'Christadelphian', the day after another word I can't remember right now, yesterday it was 'Campbellite', and today it's 'Restoration Movement'. Haven't had time to look up the latter two yet, though. 'Arminian' is another one I should check out. How on earth do Americans keep track of all different denominations?? That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

M.J.'s chart is here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/8068/64481.aspx#64481

There are also several helpful charts on the wikipedia page here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomination#Historical_schisms_and_methods_of_classification_scheme

You should look up Restoration Movement (aka, Stone-Campbell Movement, Campbellite, Christian Churches, Churches of Christ, etc) to better understand where it fits. The charts don't make it clear.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179175#Comment_179175

Ouch, OUCH, OUCH!! My head is exploding.

Please everyone, this original post is too important to be lost in our one-upmanship.

I think Rabbi Gurvis, Jo Scruggs, and others with special focus on Hebraic studies should give their suggested resource lists to Logos for possible collections.

We have already seen good responsiveness from Logos in the breaking up of large collections into smaller pieces to meet the needs of users. We could appeal to Logos to build "special " collections they may have not yet imagined. (I think they have done a great job so far, but let's keep it going.)

Maybe we can do a demographics thread elsewhere. I love talking Stone/Campbell movement as it is my in my heritage, just not here.

Todd Phillips

As a rabbi I would love to see a discounted package (like you others) which offers the Jewish resources you market as a separate purchasable package.

Rabbi Eric Gurvis -- a longtime Logos customer!

How about it Logos? What a way to increase the visibility and reach of your product!

(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around. [:D] )

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179211#Comment_179211

How about it Logos? What a way to increase the visibility of Logos.

(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around. )

I love you Bro.

Hey Dan-the-Man! (Pritchett) What a great job you have. Get paid for making people happy![:)]

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167817#Comment_167817

. [Minority includes Jewish, Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox ...

... Methodist.]

But whether we are a minority or not, I too would like to see a set of Jewish materials to be made available - especially after the recent discussion on Moses.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179211#Comment_179211

(See Matthew...I can go off topic AND bring it back around. )

Off Topic but helpful resources you pointed out, so thanks.

Rabbi Eric S Gurvis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167817#Comment_167817

Here a\re some of the items you already offer, but only in the top line edition which I, as a rabbi, would find useful:

The Encyclopaedia of Judaism (5 Vols.)
Entering the High Holy Days
A History of the Jewish People in the Time of Jesus Christ (5 Vols.)
Image and Reality: The Jews in the World of the Christians in the Second Century
Jewish Law (4 Vols.)
JPS Dictionary of Jewish Words
JPS Guide to Jewish Traditions
Legends of the Jews JPS Tanakh Commentary Collection (9 Vols.) Plus your soon to be released Midrash works Rabbi Eric Gurvis

fgh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179226#Comment_179226

Rabbi Eric

Forgive me for asking this again, but you do know about the Early Judaism Bundle and the Hebrew Bible Bundle, don't you?

Todd

Thanks! I'll look into it when I get some time.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179158#Comment_179158

That graph of yours Dan mentions, can I find that somewhere?

They are somewhere on the forums earlier but I'm not finding them. My new version of Inspiration 8 is overzealous in its autoformating so some lines are hidden in the overlap but ...

Giovanni Baggio

[:D] Hello Hebrews and Shebrews! I totally agree with logos making a special Jewish resource bundle. It will be great to have it. I have my own customized logos resources more than the portafolio, but I do not have many of the resources that the portafolio offers. I would definitely buy the JPS resources and other Jewish resources if they came in a little bit cheaper and in a nice go'old bundle form. That's all folks!

Rabbi Eric S Gurvis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/179226#Comment_179226

Yes these are bundles (Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism) that are available --

a) Not all of these resources are from Jewish sources. (That does not make not them unworthy, but they are sources about early Judaism, often prepared from Christian perspective. They are certainly worthy resources but not necessarily resources that would appeal to Jewish students and scholars studying the Biblical texts or historical period from a Jewish perpective.)

b) The JPS Bundle looks great -- as one who already owns two hardcover sets, the cost to add the electronic versions is high (even higher than obtaining the books themselves.)

I understand this is complicated. It's just disappointing that most of the terrific Jewish sources you have available are only available in the Portfolio edition, or as stand alones.

Rabbi Eric Gurvis