Gates of Jerusalem

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Lester Busald | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Sep 5 2010 10:09 PM

Does anyone know if there is a good resource in Logos for a study on the Gates of Jerusalem.

Thanks,  Les

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 5 2010 10:15 PM

Off-topic.  Is that Crater Lake?  It's been years and years since I visited it.

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William | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 5 2010 10:37 PM

George, I think it is....

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 5 2010 10:38 PM

There's some info (and photographs of what they look like now) in the entry on Jerusalem in the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible.

And there's a quite substantial section on Borders (which includes walls and gates) in the entry on Jerusalem in the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible.

Both of these are terrific resources if you don't already have any encyclopedia of the Bible.

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Nelson Yuen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 5 2010 10:55 PM

According to product introduction page, the sample page of Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible is colorful good format printed page. I want to know is it the same you see in Logo 4? can you take a screen shot of it? Thanks..

BTW, I am also thinking about "Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: Old Testament", this set are the same got full format color page as same as print book?  Any comment to have this set if I already have both WBC and TOTC/TNTC?

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 5 2010 11:50 PM

Nelson:

According to product introduction page, the sample page of Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible is colorful good format printed page. I want to know is it the same you see in Logo 4? can you take a screen shot of it? Thanks..

Yes, ZEB is in full color in Logos 4. Here are a couple of examples from it:

 

Nelson:

BTW, I am also thinking about "Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: Old Testament", this set are the same got full format color page as same as print book? 

Yes, that's in full color as well:

Nelson:

Any comment to have this set if I already have both WBC and TOTC/TNTC?

As its title suggests, ZIBBC is more focused on the background information to the geographic are and time period of the Bible books it covers, so everything from archaeology to cultural, political, economic, and social situations at the time, etc. And it's got lots of gorgeous pictures. It's written more on a popular level, so it's great for personal study. WBC is more of a critical commentary; it will address the textual issues in the original languages and engage with critical scholarship; good for academic work, but probably over the heads of the average congregation member. TOTC/TNTC is more of a homiletic/exegetical/pastoral commentary, so it's good for preparing sermons. Hope that helps.

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Nelson Yuen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 1:54 AM

Wow.. thanks a lot, it looks nice.

If it is background information commentary, would it similar to IVP Bible Background commentary: OT? IVP offers a set of collection, seems cheaper price and many books. But can it be used in L4, not mention there..

 

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 1:56 AM

Nelson:

Wow.. thanks a lot, it looks nice.

If it is background information commentary, would it similar to IVP Bible Background commentary: OT? IVP offers a set of collection, seems cheaper price and many books. But can it be used in L4, not mention there..

 

IVP collection can be used in L4, its a great set I would highly recommend anyone adding.  I'm yet to get the Zondervan titles so can't offer you a comparison.

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 2:07 AM

Nelson:

Wow.. thanks a lot, it looks nice.

If it is background information commentary, would it similar to IVP Bible Background commentary: OT? IVP offers a set of collection, seems cheaper price and many books. But can it be used in L4, not mention there..

I would say the Essential IVP Reference Collection which you refer to is probably more bang for your buck and I'd go for it first. It doesn't have pictures (except the atlas), but the dictionaries in that collection are first-rate. The Zondervan Illustrated Bible Background Commentary - Old Testament is 5 volumes (about 3000 pages), and the IVP Bible Background Commentary OT is only one volume (832 pages, according to Amazon; the Logos version doesn't have the possibility to turn on page numbers in it, which is a shortcoming -- that should be added in the future I would hope). So you can tell which one is in more depth. Ideally I'd want to own both, but if you can only afford one at this time, decide based on whether you need more depth (ZIBBC) or more breadth (IVP collection) right now.

Yes, the IVP collection can be used in L4, but it needs to be unlocked with L3 first, or by calling Customer Service and reading the serial number to them over the phone, because it comes on CD only (it was produced for Libronix/L3; has not been converted to L4 yet).

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 3:35 AM

Rosie Perera:

Nelson:

Wow.. thanks a lot, it looks nice.

If it is background information commentary, would it similar to IVP Bible Background commentary: OT? IVP offers a set of collection, seems cheaper price and many books. But can it be used in L4, not mention there..

I would say the Essential IVP Reference Collection which you refer to is probably more bang for your buck and I'd go for it first. It doesn't have pictures (except the atlas), but the dictionaries in that collection are first-rate. The Zondervan Illustrated Bible Background Commentary - Old Testament is 5 volumes (about 3000 pages), and the IVP Bible Background Commentary OT is only one volume (832 pages, according to Amazon; the Logos version doesn't have the possibility to turn on page numbers in it, which is a shortcoming -- that should be added in the future I would hope). So you can tell which one is in more depth. Ideally I'd want to own both, but if you can only afford one at this time, decide based on whether you need more depth (ZIBBC) or more breadth (IVP collection) right now.

Yes, the IVP collection can be used in L4, but it needs to be unlocked with L3 first, or by calling Customer Service and reading the serial number to them over the phone, because it comes on CD only (it was produced for Libronix/L3; has not been converted to L4 yet).

The other thing to add to this is that since release of IVP set the IVP Dictionaries: Old Testament Pentateuch and Historical books have been released for use in Logos so they are other alternatives to consider adding at some point.

 

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Lester Busald | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 11:10 AM

Emerald bay,  Lake Tahoe

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Lester Busald | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 11:20 AM

There's some info (and photographs of what they look like now) in the entry on Jerusalem in the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible.

And there's a quite substantial section on Borders (which includes walls and gates) in the entry on Jerusalem in the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible.

Both of these are terrific resources if you don't already have any encyclopedia of the Bible.

 

Thanks Rosie,  I don't have these.  I will have to look into getting one.

Les

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 11:42 AM

Lester Busald:

Emerald bay,  Lake Tahoe

Thank you for correcting me.  William's comment that he also thought it was Crater Lake was also valuable in that it indicates that I'm not totally nuts to think that it reminds me of Crater Lake. 

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Dan Sheppard | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 12:25 PM

I was recently in need of a map of Jerusalem.

There were two resources I used.

First was the Logos Bible Software Infographics, which has a really nice photo map of Jerusalem.  http://blog.logos.com/archives/2010/07/logos_4_infographics_and_attention_to_detail.html

Second was in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.  http://www.logos.com/products/details/1569

 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 4:06 PM

You should also know that the individual gates (that are mentioned by name in Scripture) are available in Biblical Things, namely:

This is a nice way to get a summary of references, the various names used, and some of the Bible dictionaries. You'll also get some maps, a link to the geo-coordinates in Google Earth and (depending on your resources) you may also get some nice pictures.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 4:21 PM

Sean Boisen:

You should also know that the individual gates (that are mentioned by name in Scripture) are available in Biblical Things, namely:

This is a nice way to get a summary of references, the various names used, and some of the Bible dictionaries. You'll also get some maps, a link to the geo-coordinates in Google Earth and (depending on your resources) you may also get some nice pictures.

Not having given much thought to the various names of gates in Jerusalem but noting the number listed here, I am rather inclined to think that some of these names refer to the same gate(s).  Sometimes there is a popular name for something as well as an official name which could be the case here.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 4:50 PM

George Somsel:
Not having given much thought to the various names of gates in Jerusalem but noting the number listed here, I am rather inclined to think that some of these names refer to the same gate(s).  Sometimes there is a popular name for something as well as an official name which could be the case here.

We've given a great deal of thought to the various names of everything in the Bible Big Smile That's no guarantee we got them all right, of course, and we'll be glad to hear corrections. If you follow these links, you'll see that many of these gates go by multiple names through the Bible (e.g. the East Gate (Nehemiah) is also called the Potsherd Gate in Jeremiah). In some cases, there's a lengthy period of time in between references, and we tended to be conservative and not assume identity unless we had good evidence for it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 5:08 PM

Sean Boisen:

You should also know that the individual gates (that are mentioned by name in Scripture) are available in Biblical Things, namely:

This is a nice way to get a summary of references, the various names used, and some of the Bible dictionaries. You'll also get some maps, a link to the geo-coordinates in Google Earth and (depending on your resources) you may also get some nice pictures.

 

I see that Herod's Gate is not listed anywhere in your list nor in Biblical Things. But a search for it in my Entire Library found among other things a photo of it in BiblicalPlaces.com Image Library. I guess the name "Herod's Gate" must have been tagged onto it later than the time of Jesus?  According to New Unger's Bible Dictionary, "The walls and gates as seen in Jerusalem today are due in large part to the construction of Suleiman the Magnificent, sixteenth century A.D. The present walls of Jerusalem have thirty-five towers and eight gates: the Damascus Gate, Herod’s Gate, Stephen’s Gate, the Refuse Gate, the Zion Gate, the Jaffa Gate, the New Gate, and the Golden Gate." None of these is mentioned in the list of older gate names. I think I'd heard of Damascus Gate, Herod's Gate, and Zion Gate, in the context of biblical studies, and it's likely I might have gone looking for them in Biblical Things (or actually, more likely in Biblical Places; that bit's kind of confusing; why is the image from BiblicalPlaces.com but the gates are documented in Biblical Things?) and been disappointed not to find anything there.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 5:11 PM

Sean Boisen:
We've given a great deal of thought ...

The "royal 'we'"?

george
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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 6 2010 5:53 PM

Not royal, simply loyal Big Smile

I'm the chief architect: Liz Licata (formerly Borries) has been the mainstay of editorial decision-making regarding names and innumerable other details, and several other editorial staff have had a hand in the data as well (which is coordinated between Things, Places, our maps, and our infographics). And "we" in the broadest sense merely meaning "Logos".

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