Updated LCV
There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:
- New Nave's Topical Bible
- Easton's Bible Dictionary
- Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
- The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)
Any suggestions as to the others?
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Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV? What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...
I understand the very basics of it, but I'd like to more fully understand it.
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Mark Barnes said:
There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:
- New Nave's Topical Bible
- Easton's Bible Dictionary
- Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
- The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)
Any suggestions as to the others?
I don't know what the list included before the latest update, so I don't know what's new. But in addition to the ones you've already spotted, I can identify these that are in it:
- Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary
- New Bible Dictionary, Third Edition
- Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible
- Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible
- Eerdmans Bible Dictionary
- Tyndale Bible Dictionary
- International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised
- Smith's Bible Dictionary
- New Unger's Bible Dictionary
And yes The Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land is in it (with the American spelling of Encyclopedia but the British spelling of Archaeological; not at all logical)
It's great that they're making progress, but there are so many more books that need to be added to this: Encyclopedia of Christianity, Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible, Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals, Biographical Entries from New 20th-Century Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Handbook of Evangelical Theologians, all the IVP dictionaries in the Essential IVP Reference Collection, Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible, Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible. etc.
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV? What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...
There are other threads but see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12424/97026.aspx#97026
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Ron Keyston Jr said:
Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV? What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...
There are other threads but see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12424/97026.aspx#97026
Thanks [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:Smith's Bible Dictionary
New Unger's Bible DictionaryI believe these are new also, and that would make seven.
Rosie Perera said:It's great that they're making progress, but there are so many more books that need to be added to this: Encyclopedia of Christianity, Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible, Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals, Biographical Entries from New 20th-Century Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Handbook of Evangelical Theologians, all the IVP dictionaries in the Essential IVP Reference Collection, Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible, Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible. etc.
Agree so much. Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same. The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results. That will be the day!
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Mark Barnes said:
There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:
- New Nave's Topical Bible
- Easton's Bible Dictionary
- Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
- The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)
Any suggestions as to the others?
- The Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia
- The New Unger's Bible Dictionary
- New Nave's Topical Bible
- Easton's Bible Dictionary
- Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
- The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land
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Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations. Googling for it will be quite instructive I'm sure. This is from controlledvocabulary.com
What is a
Controlled
Vocabulary, and how is it useful?Takes the
Guess
Work out of Searching
A controlled vocabulary makes a database easier to search. Since
we have
many different ways of describing concepts, drawing all of these
terms together
under a single word or phrase in a database makes searching the
database more
efficient as it eliminates guess work. However, arriving at this
efficiency
requires consistency on the part of the individual indexing the
database and
the use of pre-determined terms.A
Familiar Concept
It’s likely you are already familiar with the concept of controlled
vocabulary. Phonebook Yellow Page listings are arranged using
controlled vocabulary.
For example, a search for "Car Dealers" leads you to a note to “see
Automobile Dealers." At a basic level, this is how a controlled
vocabulary
system works.One
Search is All
it Takes
Conducting a search in a database that uses controlled vocabulary or
indexing
terms is efficient and precise. The biggest advantage to controlled
vocabulary
is that once you do find the correct term, most of the information
you need
is grouped together in one place, saving you the time of having to
search
under all of the other synonyms for that term.Finding a
Balance
It's difficult to say whether controlled vocabulary or natural
language systems
give the best retrieval performance. Free Text or Natural Language
systems often
provide more results in a shorter time span because you are searching
all the
fields of a given database (the Google search engine is a form of free
text
search). Such searches work well for very specific searches, however,
when a
topic is older or broader in scope, you likely will retrieve
irrelevant hits.
You also may miss some records relevant to your search because you
didn't choose
the proper search term. As with a web search, searching a database
requires
striking a balance between preciseness and generating enough hits to
make the
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Mark Barnes said:
Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations. Googling for it will be quite instructive I'm sure. This is from controlledvocabulary.com
Thanks, Mark. That is very helpful! Almost worth posting on a "MVPs Speak" wiki page... [:)]
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Todd Phillips said:
The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones
And I want the Jewish and Catholic encyclopedias ... but I don't know a really great source for the Orthodox/Church of the East ... they are what will broaden the coverage the most rather than fill-in the gaps of the existing vocabulary. Besides, they are where I have the most reading lists.[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hard to keep up with all you folks! The LCV updates will go out with the 4.1 release (though available to beta users now of course). Here's the authoritative list of new dictionaries added:
- Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land
- Easton's Bible Dictionary
- Harper's Bible Dictionary
- Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
- Smith's Bible Dictionary
- Unger's Bible Dictionary
- Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia
- New Nave's Topical Bible
We've got our process streamlined a bit now, so I expect we will be releasing updates with greater frequency (this is the first one since the Logos 4.0 release last November). While i don't want to talk about plans too far out in front of our releases, the next release (which is not scheduled yet) will include the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible and, i expect, several other topical indexes (Torrey's, Willmington's Book of Bible Lists, and others).
Our goal is to eventually incorporate all the resources that are appropriate for the LCV structure (subject-oriented dictionaries): that should include all or nearly all the others mentioned in this thread.
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Sean Boisen said:
updates with greater frequency
Sean Boisen said:eventually incorporate all the resources that are appropriate for the LCV structure
Thanks, Sean--for the updates & for all you folks do for us.
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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Mark Barnes said:
Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations.
I'll note that our use of the LCV goes beyond what's typical for other controlled vocabularies. While it's definitely designed to help with search, it serves other functions as well:
- the LCV provides the framework for Topics in the Passage Guide. The importance of a concept there (reflected by the size in the tag cloud) is determined by how many dictionaries refer to it, how much is said about it, how unique the association between the reference and that concept is, and other factors.
- it provides the connections to dictionary content on People/Places/Things pages
We've got some other things in the works as well.
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Todd Phillips said:
Agree so much. Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same. The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results. That will be the day!
I agree very much with Todd's sentiment here. Adding these sort of dictionaries adds a little to these type of searches however adding books like the IVP Essential collection would add greater strength and depth. I think this is especially true as I think I remember reading that the IVP collection is amongst the most popular products.
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Paul Meathrel said:Todd Phillips said:
Agree so much. Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same. The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results. That will be the day!
I agree too. We're trying to prioritize the resources that most people have, and there were some other business reasons to prefer these simpler Bible dictionaries. But we're definitely looking to integrate the deeper resources as soon as we can.
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Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?
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Murray Woolnough said:
Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?
Sean has said in another thread (January) that the IVP Black Dictionaries are slated to be in the next LCV update, when they haven't said
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27679/210611.aspx#210611
Prov. 15:23
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Murray Woolnough said:
Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?
I can state authoritatively that they are closer. [:)]
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Sean Boisen said:
I can state authoritatively that they are closer.
And I can state that they are showing up today! Thanks! [Y]
Prov. 15:23
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Kevin Becker said:Sean Boisen said:
I can state authoritatively that they are closer.
And I can state that they are showing up today! Thanks!
Yippy-ti-yi-yo! [:)]
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Wonderful news. When Logos stops crashing on my PC and starts loading properly on my Mac I will be really excited to start using them!
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Okay - I appreciate the availability of the LCV, but I am not sure how to make use of it. Specifically, how do I make use of the LCV, rather than the surface text?
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
Okay - I appreciate the availability of the LCV, but I am not sure how to make use of it. Specifically, how do I make use of the LCV, rather than the surface text?
You don't need to consciously do anything about it to make use of it. But the fact that there is LCV underlying the surface text is why you get the TOPIC section at the top of a search for a common keyword in your Entire Library:
That section will keep getting better and better the more dictionaries/encyclopedias they tag with LCV.
One significant note, though: you do have to search in your Entire Library for the TOPIC section to show up. It doesn't work for searches within Collections. Also if you don't get a TOPIC section, it means the word or phrase you searched for is not in the LCV database. It's made up of all the headword entries in the major Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias, so it should include most every person, place, Bible book, significant theological term, etc.
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Rosie, I see you have the resource prioritization bug I described here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/31182.aspx
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Murray,
for specifics of Rosie's search, see this wiki article: Topic found in Basic Search
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Thank you everyone - I had done a search on the Wiki just this morning (or was it yesterday?) for "Logos Controlled Vocabulary" but spotted nothing of interest in the results. It might have been a function of the person looking at the results, but the comments here did help.
Thank you again.
Blessings,
FloydPastor-Patrick.blogspot.com
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Floyd Johnson said:
I had done a search on the Wiki just this morning (or was it yesterday?) for "Logos Controlled Vocabulary" but spotted nothing of interest in the results.
Sean from Logos started this wiki page About Topic Search, where he describes some about LCV (Logos Controlled Vocabulary)
Now: Topics in Logos 4Logos 4 uses a new approach to try and make topical search more
powerful, thorough, and consistent. The foundation is the Logos
Controlled Vocabulary (LCV), which organizes a defined set of concepts,
the keywords that can be used to describe them, and links to the
dictionaries, encyclopedias, and other subject-oriented resources that
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Floyd Johnson said:
Okay - I appreciate the availability of the LCV, but I am not sure how to make use of it. Specifically, how do I make use of the LCV, rather than the surface text?
One easily overlooked aspect of the LCV is that it links a Biblical People/Places/Things page to associated dictionary content (via the grey strip at the top, that we call the "infosheet": you may have to click the right arrow to see the content).
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Sean Boisen said:
One easily overlooked aspect of the LCV is that it links a Biblical People/Places/Things page to associated dictionary content
Thanks Sean - it was easily overlooked!
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Sean Boisen said:
One easily overlooked aspect of the LCV is that it links a Biblical People/Places/Things page to associated dictionary content
Thanks Sean - it was easily overlooked!
Here's another: the Topics section of the Passage Guide is constructed by taking the dictionary content for LCV concepts, extracting the references, doing some complex math to identify the strength and uniqueness of the association between a reference to a concept, and presenting a weighted list of results. So in the tag cloud view, the big concepts represents a combination of associations repeated across many dictionaries, and those that are more unique to this reference-concept pair. (usually you have to expand the "..." to get the whole view). This can help you discover relationships to concepts you might not have guessed from the passage in question: for example, what's the connection between John 3:3-7 and Justin Martyr? (you'll have to own Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary to find out)
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Sean Boisen said:
This can help you discover relationships to concepts you might not have guessed from the passage in question: for example, what's the connection between John 3:3-7 and Justin Martyr? (you'll have to own Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary to find out)
I was interested to see what that passage would reveal from my resources but disappointed to find that Tyndale Bible Dictionary was not included in List topics like
- Amen (2 x Topical Index were preferred)
- Birth, new (unique to TBD)
- Jesus christ, teachings of (unique to TBD)
- Kingdom of God (2 x Topical bibles preferred)
- Life (Topical Index preferred)
- etc.
The content of TBD is more meaningful than a reference in a Topical Bible/Index!
Dave
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