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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 16 2010 3:04 AM

There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:

  • New Nave's Topical Bible
  • Easton's Bible Dictionary
  • Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
  • Harper's Bible Dictionary
  • The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)

Any suggestions as to the others?

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 6:54 AM

Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV?  What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...

I understand the very basics of it, but I'd like to more fully understand it.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:19 AM

Mark Barnes:

There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:

  • New Nave's Topical Bible
  • Easton's Bible Dictionary
  • Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
  • Harper's Bible Dictionary
  • The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)

Any suggestions as to the others?

I don't know what the list included before the latest update, so I don't know what's new. But in addition to the ones you've already spotted, I can identify these that are in it:

  • Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary
  • New Bible Dictionary, Third Edition
  • Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible
  • Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible
  • Eerdmans Bible Dictionary
  • Tyndale Bible Dictionary
  • International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Revised
  • Smith's Bible Dictionary
  • New Unger's Bible Dictionary

And yes The Archaeological Encyclopedia of the Holy Land is in it (with the American spelling of Encyclopedia but the British spelling of Archaeological; not at all logical)

It's great that they're making progress, but there are so many more books that need to be added to this: Encyclopedia of Christianity, Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible, Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals, Biographical Entries from New 20th-Century Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Handbook of Evangelical Theologians, all the IVP dictionaries in the Essential IVP Reference Collection, Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible, Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible. etc.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:26 AM

Ron Keyston Jr:

Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV?  What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...

There are other threads but see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12424/97026.aspx#97026

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:30 AM

Dave Hooton:

Ron Keyston Jr:

Is there a wiki page or FAQ page somewhere that fully explains the LCV?  What it is, how it works, how to make use of it, what benefits it offers, etc...

There are other threads but see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12424/97026.aspx#97026

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 7:31 AM

Rosie Perera:

  • Smith's Bible Dictionary
  • New Unger's Bible Dictionary
  • I believe these are new also, and that would make seven.

    Rosie Perera:
    It's great that they're making progress, but there are so many more books that need to be added to this: Encyclopedia of Christianity, Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Dictionary for Theological Interpretation of the Bible, Biographical Dictionary of Evangelicals, Biographical Entries from New 20th-Century Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Handbook of Evangelical Theologians, all the IVP dictionaries in the Essential IVP Reference Collection, Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible, Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible. etc.

    Agree so much.  Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same.   The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results.  That will be the day!

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    Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 8:15 AM

    Mark Barnes:

    There doesn't seem to have been any posts on the updated LCV, which is strange since several of us have been clamouring for it to be updated! We've been told that there are seven new dictionaries. Here's the ones I can spot:

    • New Nave's Topical Bible
    • Easton's Bible Dictionary
    • Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
    • Harper's Bible Dictionary
    • The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land (I think)

    Any suggestions as to the others?

    1.  The Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia
    2.  The New Unger's Bible Dictionary
    • New Nave's Topical Bible
    • Easton's Bible Dictionary
    • Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
    • Harper's Bible Dictionary
    • The Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land

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    Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 8:18 AM

    Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations. Googling for it will be quite instructive I'm sure. This is from controlledvocabulary.com

    What is a Controlled Vocabulary, and how is it useful?

    Takes the Guess Work out of Searching
    A controlled vocabulary makes a database easier to search. Since we have many different ways of describing concepts, drawing all of these terms together under a single word or phrase in a database makes searching the database more efficient as it eliminates guess work. However, arriving at this efficiency requires consistency on the part of the individual indexing the database and the use of pre-determined terms.

    A Familiar Concept
    It’s likely you are already familiar with the concept of controlled vocabulary. Phonebook Yellow Page listings are arranged using controlled vocabulary. For example, a search for "Car Dealers" leads you to a note to “see Automobile Dealers." At a basic level, this is how a controlled vocabulary system works.

    One Search is All it Takes
    Conducting a search in a database that uses controlled vocabulary or indexing terms is efficient and precise. The biggest advantage to controlled vocabulary is that once you do find the correct term, most of the information you need is grouped together in one place, saving you the time of having to search under all of the other synonyms for that term.

    Finding a Balance
    It's difficult to say whether controlled vocabulary or natural language systems give the best retrieval performance. Free Text or Natural Language systems often provide more results in a shorter time span because you are searching all the fields of a given database (the Google search engine is a form of free text search). Such searches work well for very specific searches, however, when a topic is older or broader in scope, you likely will retrieve irrelevant hits. You also may miss some records relevant to your search because you didn't choose the proper search term. As with a web search, searching a database requires striking a balance between preciseness and generating enough hits to make the search successful.

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 8:43 AM

    Mark Barnes:
    Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations. Googling for it will be quite instructive I'm sure. This is from controlledvocabulary.com

    Thanks, Mark. That is very helpful! Almost worth posting on a "MVPs Speak" wiki page... Smile

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    MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 16 2010 12:51 PM

    Todd Phillips:
    The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones

    And I want the Jewish and Catholic encyclopedias ... but I don't know a really great source for the Orthodox/Church of the East ... they are what will broaden the coverage the most rather than fill-in the gaps of the existing vocabulary. Besides, they are where I have the most reading lists.Big Smile

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    Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 9:15 AM

    Hard to keep up with all you folks! The LCV updates will go out with the 4.1 release (though available to beta users now of course). Here's the authoritative list of new dictionaries added:

    • Archaeological Encyclopaedia of the Holy Land
    • Easton's Bible Dictionary
    • Harper's Bible Dictionary
    • Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Dictionary
    • Smith's Bible Dictionary
    • Unger's Bible Dictionary
    • Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia
    • New Nave's Topical Bible

    We've got our process streamlined a bit now, so I expect we will be releasing updates with greater frequency (this is the first one since the Logos 4.0 release last November). While i don't want to talk about plans too far out in front of our releases, the next release (which is not scheduled yet) will include the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible and, i expect, several other topical indexes (Torrey's, Willmington's Book of Bible Lists, and others).

    Our goal is to eventually incorporate all the resources that are appropriate for the LCV structure (subject-oriented dictionaries): that should include all or nearly all the others mentioned in this thread.

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    BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 9:18 AM

    Sean Boisen:
    updates with greater frequency

    Sean Boisen:
    eventually incorporate all the resources that are appropriate for the LCV structure

    Thanks, Sean--for the updates & for all you folks do for us.

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    Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 9:29 AM

    Mark Barnes:
    Controlled Vocabulary is a standard concept used in many situations.

    I'll note that our use of the LCV goes beyond what's typical for other controlled vocabularies. While it's definitely designed to help with search, it serves other functions as well:

    • the LCV provides the framework for Topics in the Passage Guide. The importance of a concept there (reflected by the size in the tag cloud) is determined by how many dictionaries refer to it, how much is said about it, how unique the association between the reference and that concept is, and other factors. 
    • it provides the connections to dictionary content on People/Places/Things pages

    We've got some other things in the works as well.

     

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    Paul Meathrel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 10:39 AM

    Todd Phillips:
    Agree so much.  Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same.   The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results.  That will be the day!

    I agree very much with Todd's sentiment here. Adding these sort of dictionaries adds a little to these type of searches however adding books like the IVP Essential collection would add greater strength and depth. I think this is especially true as I think I remember reading that the IVP collection is amongst the most popular products. 

     

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    Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 17 2010 11:39 AM

    Paul Meathrel:
    Todd Phillips:
    Agree so much.  Most of the newly included resources ones are plain bible dictionaries, which don't really expand the search results much, since they are very much the same.   The in-depth theological dictionaries (esp. IVP) and church history dictionaries are the ones I still long to see show themselves in the Topic results.  That will be the day!

    I agree too. We're trying to prioritize the resources that most people have, and there were some other business reasons to prefer these simpler Bible dictionaries. But we're definitely looking to integrate the deeper resources as soon as we can.

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    Murray W | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2011 3:27 PM

    Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?

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    Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 12 2011 6:27 PM

    Murray Woolnough:

    Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?

    Sean has said in another thread (January) that the IVP Black Dictionaries are slated to be in the next LCV update, when they haven't said

    http://community.logos.com/forums/p/27679/210611.aspx#210611

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    Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 15 2011 9:27 AM

    Murray Woolnough:

    Hiya - it's six months since the last comment. Are the IVP Dictionaries any closer to being included in the LCV?

    I can state authoritatively that they are closer. Smile

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    Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 17 2011 2:14 PM

    Sean Boisen:
    I can state authoritatively that they are closer. Smile

    And I can state that they are showing up today! Thanks! Yes

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 17 2011 2:25 PM

    Kevin Becker:

    Sean Boisen:
    I can state authoritatively that they are closer. Smile

    And I can state that they are showing up today! Thanks! Yes

    Yippy-ti-yi-yo! Smile

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