How many Reformation Study Bibles are there?

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:19 PM

http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7683?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosPrepubs+%28Logos+Pre-Publications%29

Additional Information

  • Title: The Reformation Study Bible
  • Editor: R. C. Sproul
  • Publisher: Ligonier, 2008

QUESTION:

How/Does this differ from a Libronix3 resource of same name that has been out for some time in a Nelson eBible set?

 

Regards, SteveF

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:34 PM

SteveF:

http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7683?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LogosPrepubs+%28Logos+Pre-Publications%29

Additional Information

  • Title: The Reformation Study Bible
  • Editor: R. C. Sproul
  • Publisher: Ligonier, 2008

 

QUESTION:

How/Does this differ from a Libronix3 resource of same name that has been out for some time in a Nelson eBible set?

 

I suspect it's just a minor update. The description says: "previously only available in the New King James translation, The Reformation Study Bible has been updated for compatibility with the readable and accurate English Standard Version". I have the Nelson version. Here's the publication info for it:

THE REFORMATION STUDY BIBLE
Bringing the Light of the Reformation to Scripture

New King James Version

Executive Director: Luder Whitlock, Jr.
General Editor: R. C. Sproul
Old Testament Editor: Bruce Waltke
New Testament Editor: Moisés Silva

Associate Editors:
James Boice
Edmund Clowney
Roger Nicole
J. I. Packer 

Assistant Editors:
Willam B. Evans
John Mason

Thomas Nelson Publishers
Nashville • Atlanta • London • Vancouver

The Reformation Study Bible TM
Copyright 1995 by Foundation for Reformation

The Holy Bible, New King James Version
Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

The New King James Bible, New Testament
Copyright 1979 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
The New King James Bible, New Testament and Psalms
Copyright 1980 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

In-text Maps
Copyright 1990 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
Charts
Copyright 1995 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.

The Ligonier Ministries description page for this includes the text "This foundational resource was created by more than fifty scholars." I'm guessing they haven't changed the fundamental work of those scholars. Here's the list of scholars who put the original together, from inside my Nelson version of it:

General Editor

R. C. Sproul, Drs.

Ligonier Ministries

Old Testament Editor

Bruce Waltke, Th.D., Ph.D.

Regent College

New Testament Editor

Moises Silva, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

Executive Director

Luder Whitlock, Jr., D.Min.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Associate Editors

James Boice, D.Th.

Tenth Presbyterian Church

 

Edmund Clowney, S.T.M., D.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

 

Roger Nicole, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

 

J. I. Packer, D.Phil.

Regent College

Assistant Editors

William B. Evans, Ph.D. (cand.)

Erskine College

 

John Mason, Ph.D. (cand.)

Nashville Presbytery

Presbyterian Church in America

Old Testament Contributors

Carl E. Armerding, Ph.D.

Schloss Mittersill Study Centre

Raymond Dillard, Ph.D. (deceased)

Westminster Theological Seminary

William Dumbrell, Ph.D.

Moore Theological College

Mark Futato, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary in California

Graeme Goldsworthy, Ph.D.

Moore Theological College

J. Alan Groves, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

R. Laird Harris, Ph.D. (emeritus)

Covenant Theological Seminary

Kenneth J. Howell, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

M. M. Kline, Ph.D. (cand.)

Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary

Gary Knoppers, Ph.D.

Penn State University

Donald Leggett, Ph.D.

Ontario Theological Seminary

V. Philips Long, Ph.D.

Covenant Theological Seminary

Tremper Longman III, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

J. Gordon McConville, Ph.D.

Wycliffe Hall, Oxford

Allan A. MacRae, Ph.D. (emeritus)

Biblical Theological Seminary

Jeffrey Niehaus, Ph.D.

Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary

Dirk H. Odendaal, Ph.D. (deceased)

University of Stellenbosch

Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr., Ph.D.

Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

Gary Pratico, Th.D.

Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary

Richard L. Pratt, Jr., Th.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Elmer Smick, Ph.D. (deceased)

Reformed Theological Seminary

Marion Ann Taylor, Ph.D.

Wycliffe College

Willem A. Van Gemeren, Ph.D.

Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

J. Robert Vannoy, Th.D.

Biblical Theological Seminary

Bruce Waltke, Th.D., Ph.D.

Regent College

Barry Webb, Ph.D.

Moore Theological College

Gordon Wenham, Ph.D.

Cheltenham and Gloucester College of Higher Education

John Woodhouse, Ph.D.

Moore Theological College

New Testament Contributors

Knox Chamblin, Th.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Karl J. Cooper, Th.M.

Providence, RI

Sinclair B. Ferguson, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

T. David Gordon, Ph.D.

Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary

Wayne Grudem, Ph.D.

Trinity Evangelical Divinity School

Charles Hill, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Kenneth J. Howell, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Dennis Ireland, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Dennis Johnson, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary in California

Peter Jones, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary in California

Reggie M. Kidd, Ph.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

Simon J. Kistemaker, Th.D.

Reformed Theological Seminary

W. Harold Mare, Ph.D.

Covenant Theological Seminary

Dan McCartney, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

Leon Morris, Ph.D. (emeritus)

Ridley College

Vern S. Poythress, D.Th.

Westminster Theological Seminary

Moisés Silva, Ph.D.

Westminster Theological Seminary

R. C. Sproul, Drs.

Ligonier Ministries

Frank Thielman, Ph.D.

The Beeson Divinity School

Joseph Trafton, Ph.D.

Western Kentucky University

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:35 PM

Wondered this myself when I saw the announcement. All I can find is that the new pub comes from Ligonier and is keyed to the ESV text, copyright 2008. The original pub was keyed to the NKJV and originally was known as the New Geneva Bible and published by Nelson, copyright 1995.

Here's the blurb I found:

I compared the sample pdfs at: http://www.ligonier.org/reformation-study-bible/sample-chapters/ to the older Nelson offering. Except for changing the bold words quoted from scripture to conform to the ESV translation I could find no differences in content.

The text at the bottom of this page seems to indicate that 'porting' to the ESV is the only difference in editions: http://www.ligonier.org/reformation-study-bible/about/

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:39 PM

SteveF:

QUESTION:

How/Does this differ from a Libronix3 resource of same name that has been out for some time in a Nelson eBible set?

Good question. First there was a "New Geneva Study Bible" (I purchased this one in black genuine leather for my church Bible. Later there was a republication (I believe the content was the same) but the title was now "Reformation Study Bible." Both of those publications preceded this current publication. 

When we read the product description we see it is intended as a revision aligned with the ESV. Careful reading of the page reveals it does not contain the ESV  translation, only the study Bible notes.This is commonly the way Logos handles study Bible notes.

My question is:  How/Does this differ from a Libronix3 resource of same name that has been out for some time in a Nelson eBible set?

clarification of the question:  Since ALL study notes appear to interact with any Bible translation, what difference does it make having an ESV based notes package over a NKJV based notes package when neither contain a Bible transalation? (all within the Logos software, of course)

(wait a minute! Stick out tongue That question sounds very similar to yours...)  Maybe someone in the Pre-Pub department can explain why we need this resource if we already have the other Libronix 3 resource.

 

 

 

 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:51 PM

This forum might help: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/11048.aspx

The reformation study Bible is no longer available for purchase but used to be available through eBible Expanded Edition (and there are still some eBible packages floating around). 

Now it looks like Logos is getting rights to it (instead of Thomas Nelson) and publishing their own (updated?) version.

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 12:52 PM

Matthew C Jones:
Maybe someone in the Pre-Pub department can explain why we need this resource if we already have the other Libronix 3 resource.

So I guess the answer is: "Yes" , this is for those who "missed" it the first time round?

But why "pre-pub"?

Especially, as this, like the other "study" Bibles, only contains the Notes?

Why not just a "link" etc?

 

Regards, SteveF

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 1:10 PM

SteveF:
But why "pre-pub"?

Partly to gauge interest, partly to give people a second chance to get it at a nice price, and partly because it is indeed a new resource, not just a copy of the Notes from Libronix. Everywhere in the notes where it quotes bits of a Bible verse, that text has now been updated to ESV instead of NKJV. And probably Logos is doing their own editing pass on it (retagging and such) before republishing it. So while it probably won't take as long as some other prepubs to get into production, I can see why it's going through the pre-pub process.

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 1:18 PM

Rosie Perera:
Everywhere in the notes where it quotes bits of a Bible verse, that text has now been updated to ESV instead of NKJV.

Thanks Rosie.

 

Regards, SteveF

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Robert G. Mettler | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 28 2010 1:46 PM

Rosie Perera:

SteveF:
But why "pre-pub"?

Partly to gauge interest, partly to give people a second chance to get it at a nice price, and partly because it is indeed a new resource, not just a copy of the Notes from Libronix. Everywhere in the notes where it quotes bits of a Bible verse, that text has now been updated to ESV instead of NKJV. And probably Logos is doing their own editing pass on it (retagging and such) before republishing it. So while it probably won't take as long as some other prepubs to get into production, I can see why it's going through the pre-pub process.

 

Additional information:

http://www.ligonier.org/reformation-study-bible/

http://www.ligonier.org/reformation-study-bible/about/

Robert

Edit: Mark, missed your links.

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Westie | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 29 2010 10:28 AM

SteveF:

How/Does this differ from a Libronix3 resource of same name that has been out for some time in a Nelson eBible set?

I called Ligonier Ministries.  They said that the ESV version contains the same theological articles, maps etc....  The only difference is that the notes have been adapted to the ESV text

Mark

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