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Victor Gutierrez | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Oct 9 2009 8:29 PM

I know that sometimes a name is repeated in the Bible for emphasis. For example, Luke 10:41 "Martha, Martha" Is there anyway to find all the instances this happens in the Bible. I found, Abraham, Saul, etc.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 8:37 PM
search for "martha martha" in quotes.

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 8:50 PM

Joe Miller:
search for "martha martha" in quotes.

I believe he is asking for a search that will find ALL personal names that are repeated in such a pattern, not just Martha's 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 9:41 PM
Oh. In that case, the way to find them is to search for them.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 9 2009 9:56 PM

I feel bad for Victor because none of this was helpful, but I laughed out loud when I read this exchange.

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Scott Edgren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 10 2009 8:47 PM

Yes, Victor, you can do a Syntax Search that will show you all instances. I think you need to have the OpenText.org syntactical Bible in order to do this search. Here are the steps to follow:

  • Under search menu, click on Syntax Search.
  • Click Add: Clause
  • Add: Clause Component
  • On the right hand side, under clause category, click Addressee
  • Add: Word Group
  • Click Clause Component 1 so that it is once again highlighted yellow
  • Add: Word Group

Now you should have:

Clause 1

Clause Component 1

Word Group 1

Word Group 2

If you execute the search at this point it will show you all the cases in which someone is addressed twice, but sometimes the two addresses will not match. It will include "Martha, Martha" as well as "Lord, Son of David". I came up with 92 results. I think there is a way to tweak the search to only include cases where the two address terms match, but I haven't quit figured it out yet. It probably has to do with the information on the right side under Agreement.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 11 2009 4:44 AM

Scott

I tried to find a way to limit the search results, but I could not find the correct combination of search factors. It seems that, in order to make this work, we would need a search factor "Word Group 2 = Word Group 1". Unfortunately, I could not find a way to make this happen. Perhaps, someone else can find a way to limit the results.

Jack

 

Scott Edgren:

Yes, Victor, you can do a Syntax Search that will show you all instances. I think you need to have the OpenText.org syntactical Bible in order to do this search. Here are the steps to follow:

  • Under search menu, click on Syntax Search.
  • Click Add: Clause
  • Add: Clause Component
  • On the right hand side, under clause category, click Addressee
  • Add: Word Group
  • Click Clause Component 1 so that it is once again highlighted yellow
  • Add: Word Group

Now you should have:

Clause 1

Clause Component 1

Word Group 1

Word Group 2

If you execute the search at this point it will show you all the cases in which someone is addressed twice, but sometimes the two addresses will not match. It will include "Martha, Martha" as well as "Lord, Son of David". I came up with 92 results. I think there is a way to tweak the search to only include cases where the two address terms match, but I haven't quit figured it out yet. It probably has to do with the information on the right side under Agreement.

Scott

 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 11 2009 5:49 AM

Here is one that works:

Here is one that works. Make sure that you use the agreement box for word two so that it agrees with word one regarding lexical form. The best way to create this type of search is to reverse engineer them. Go to the Luke passage and then duplicate it.

Clause 1: Clause Level = Primary

   Clause Component 1: Clause Category = Addressee

       Word Group 1

         Head Term 1

              Word 1

     Word Group 2

         Head Term 2

               Word 2: Lexical Form = Word 1

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 11 2009 11:54 AM

Thanks, John

That works very well. However, I found that if I remove the "Primary" level from Clause 1 (so that I search within any clause) I pick up 3 more hits.

Jack

JohnFidel:

Here is one that works:

Here is one that works. Make sure that you use the agreement box for word two so that it agrees with word one regarding lexical form. The best way to create this type of search is to reverse engineer them. Go to the Luke passage and then duplicate it.

 

Clause 1: Clause Level = Primary

   Clause Component 1: Clause Category = Addressee

       Word Group 1

         Head Term 1

              Word 1

     Word Group 2

         Head Term 2

               Word 2: Lexical Form = Word 1

 

 

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John Fidel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 11 2009 12:21 PM

Good point Jack. 

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Scott Edgren | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 11 2009 2:34 PM

JohnFidel:
Here is one that works.
That's it! Good job, John! I guess I didn't go deep enough. These searches are so powerful!

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