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Jim | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:09 PM

Daniel DeVilder:

As clunky as "notes" is, I still think it is pretty cool and has features and uses I have not taken advantage of (example, different note type, note color, etc,).  I would love to SEE how other people do notes.  Perhaps besides collecting them for their own development, Logos could have visual examples of how people use their notes: ie, systems they use, etc.

I've never found the colors, nor for the type of note useful at all. They seem to add a level of complexity to note file organization. If you get some time I'd like to hear how you use them and how you have them organized in your note file. Thanks

Have a great day,
jmac

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Jim | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 11 2009 2:29 PM

Bob Pritchett:

It's looking to me, though, like everyone has a different methodology, which is why it's difficult to build something everyone's happy with.

Jim Dean wrote a really good analysis of the fundamental issues in his 2009-7-8 3:44 PM post. I hope that you are going to enhance notes along the lines of his analysis. That is, define a fundamental and common role that Logos Notes has in the overall process that most people use to do Biblical research leaving final organization and presentation to other programs. So as far as presentation goes you simply have to decide what minimal presentation or import/export features are adequate for people to make good use of their research for the next step of their process toward a final presentation. They aren't bad as they are, but with just a little bit of improvement could be much more useful.

Then there are the features that many people have suggested for improving Note's usefulness as a repository of research that can be improved to make it better.


Bob, maybe this is just what you said in your post, but I'm not sure.

On a related note, I'm using Lesson Builder as one of my next steps that to create my "presentation" of my research and would like to see some improvements to that program - but not as an integration within Logos of course.

Have a great day,
jmac

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jul 11 2009 6:38 PM

George Somsel:
Why does the note function in Logos not work on a tablet?  It would seem that the main difference is the input device (stylus?).

It does, but it only does what Notes does, nothing more.  For me is the ability to keep handwritten as well as typed notes that becomes the main difference.  I really do not expect Logos Notes to support the Tablet PC, but I do expect to continue using a Tablet PC - so Notes becomes a secondary target for my thoughts, rather than my primary note taking tool.

To reference all the material related to each sermon together (whether based on a passage or some topic) is handier in OneNote - though I suppose I could do this in Logos Notes by using links.  In OneNote, I have the text for each resource embedded in the note - with a link going back to the original resource if I needed more information.  I suppose I could do something like this in Notes, but I can think of no way to separate the various resources - as I can do with OneNote.

Blessings,

Floyd

 

Blessings,
Floyd

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Peter Covert | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jul 12 2009 12:41 PM

JackCaviness:

Bob Pritchett:

think we'll also see changes in our workflows simply in response to the technology. Improved searching may, for example, make linking a quote to it's source become less important. If you can search for the text of the quote in a keystroke or two, and find it in a second or two, why would you clutter your note / Word doc / slide with something like libronixdls:jump|res=LLS.1.0.1.43&ref=LLSAO:345:10340 ?

 Please keep the ideas and feedback coming!

Bob

I must agree with the others that the ability to link to source files from the Notes would be a valuable feature. Of course, it will be much better when that feature is present in the Mac version Cool.

Jack

Ditto what everyone else said about being able to link in the note files.

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 13 2009 9:21 AM

Bob Pritchett:
I'd also like to better understand what you want to do with notes. Longtime newsgroup readers know that I am very reluctant to turn our notes feature into a full-featured word processor (because it feels like a slipperly slope to writing a full-featured word processor, which is a very big job and not our goal). 

Having a spell checker would be wonderful.

 

"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."

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Jim Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 5:53 AM

For those of you who might be interested in taking a more structured approach to coming up with an improved Notes engine, I've started another thread to complement this more general one:  http://community.logos.com/forums/p/343/3148.aspx#3148

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Daniel Thornton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 1:26 PM

I would like to be able to generate the Note File Summary, then copy and paste portions of that to my Word Processing program, and have the formatting transfer over with the copy and paste operation. 

Right now, the indents and basic font functions are adequate for my need, but not if I can't copy them over into WORD.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 5:59 PM

DanielThornton:

I would like to be able to generate the Note File Summary, then copy and paste portions of that to my Word Processing program, and have the formatting transfer over with the copy and paste operation. 

Right now, the indents and basic font functions are adequate for my need, but not if I can't copy them over into WORD.

 

Peace to you, Daniel!  *smile*

          I don't understand ...        copy and past from the Note File Summary works very well indeed for me  ...

Yours in Christ,

          ....   Mel

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 15 2009 6:31 PM

DanielThornton:

I would like to be able to generate the Note File Summary, then copy and paste portions of that to my Word Processing program, and have the formatting transfer over with the copy and paste operation. 

Right now, the indents and basic font functions are adequate for my need, but not if I can't copy them over into WORD.

Daniel, there may be an      ooppss!     to this ....  

In my Word 2007 document configured from the Notes Summary ,   on a couple of lines a few letters at the beginning of a line are missing ...

...   will have to figure out why ...   Sorry to post when I didn't have it down perfectly ...   for some strange reason also, when I paste it here from Word, it pastes double ..  and the truncated letters are back on         ..  will study the matter further for sure!

...    Mel

Note File Summary

Zechariah

Zechariah 9:9

The Coming King of Zion
     9     yRejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
          zBehold, ayour king is coming to you;
righteous and having salvation is he,
          bhumble and mounted on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

“Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation.”        (Zechariah 9:9b)

With these words the prophet Zechariah speaks of the Day of the Lord, when the remnant of Judah would see their Righteous King finally come, as He had been long promised. For us, Advent First Sunday begins a new season of the church year which focuses on this Day of the Lord as Judgment Day. On that last day, Jesus will return as He ascended, from the clouds with His angels and at the voice of the Archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

But this is not exactly how Zechariah saw the Day of the Lord, from back in His day. He foresaw Jesus coming, riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. The Holy Spirit granted Zechariah a vision of Palm Sunday, when Jesus first came into this world, as the incarnate son of the virgin, Mary. The prophet saw Jesus’ Day as His first entrance into this sinful world.

 

9      Rejoice with all your heart, people of Zion!
Shout in triumph, people of Jerusalem!
Look! Your King is coming to you:
He is righteous and victorious.
He is humble and rides on a donkey,
on a colt, a young pack animal.
God's Word. 1996, c1995 (Zec 9:9). Grand Rapids: World Publishing.

Zechariah 9:10

     10     cI will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
and dthe war horse from Jerusalem;
          and the battle bow shall be cut off,
and ehe shall speak peace to the nations;
          fhis rule shall be from sea to sea,
and from gthe River to the ends of the earth.

Canada's Coat of Arms

a mari usque ad mare     Motto

Coat of Arms of Canada (since 1994)

Note File Summary

Zechariah

Zechariah 9:9

The Coming King of Zion

     9     yRejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!

Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!

          zBehold, ayour king is coming to you;

righteous and having salvation is he,

          bhumble and mounted on a donkey,

on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

"Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation."        (Zechariah 9:9b)

With these words the prophet Zechariah speaks of the Day of the Lord, when the remnant of Judah would see their Righteous King finally come, as He had been long promised. For us, Advent First Sunday begins a new season of the church year which focuses on this Day of the Lord as Judgment Day. On that last day, Jesus will return as He ascended, from the clouds with His angels and at the voice of the Archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

But this is not exactly how Zechariah saw the Day of the Lord, from back in His day. He foresaw Jesus coming, riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. The Holy Spirit granted Zechariah a vision of Palm Sunday, when Jesus first came into this world, as the incarnate son of the virgin, Mary. The prophet saw Jesus' Day as His first entrance into this sinful world.

 

9      Rejoice with all your heart, people of Zion!

Shout in triumph, people of Jerusalem!

Look! Your King is coming to you:

He is righteous and victorious.

He is humble and rides on a donkey,

on a colt, a young pack animal.

[1]

[2]God's Word. 1996, c1995 (Zec 9:9). Grand Rapids: World Publishing.


Zechariah 9:10

     10     cI will cut off the chariot from Ephraim

and dthe war horse from Jerusalem;

          and the battle bow shall be cut off,

and ehe shall speak peace to the nations;

          fhis rule shall be from sea to sea,

and from gthe River to the ends of the earth.

Canada's Coat of Arms

a mari usque ad mare     Motto

The motto of Canada is in latin a mari usque ad mare ("from sea to sea"), a part of Psalm 72:8.[3] This phrase was first suggested by Samuel Leonard Tilley, a Father of Confederation. The motto appears at the base of the arms. The motto was originally used in 1906 on the head of the mace of the Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan. It was included in the Arms of Canada in 1921.[4]

In March 2006, the premiers of Canada's three territories called for the amendment of the motto to better reflect the vast geographic nature of Canada's territory - Canada has three coastlines on the Arctic, Atlantic, and Pacific Oceans. Two suggestions for a new motto are A mari ad mare ad mare (from sea to sea to sea) and A mari usque ad maria (from the sea to the other seas).[5]Devil The motto remains unchanged

 

 



 

 

 

Note File Summary

Zechariah

Zechariah 9:9

The Coming King of Zion
     9     yRejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
          zBehold, ayour king is coming to you;
righteous and having salvation is he,
          bhumble and mounted on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

“Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation.”        (Zechariah 9:9b)

With these words the prophet Zechariah speaks of the Day of the Lord, when the remnant of Judah would see their Righteous King finally come, as He had been long promised. For us, Advent First Sunday begins a new season of the church year which focuses on this Day of the Lord as Judgment Day. On that last day, Jesus will return as He ascended, from the clouds with His angels and at the voice of the Archangel and the sound of the trumpet.

But this is not exactly how Zechariah saw the Day of the Lord, from back in His day. He foresaw Jesus coming, riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. The Holy Spirit granted Zechariah a vision of Palm Sunday, when Jesus first came into this world, as the incarnate son of the virgin, Mary. The prophet saw Jesus’ Day as His first entrance into this sinful world.

 

9      Rejoice with all your heart, people of Zion!
Shout in triumph, people of Jerusalem!
Look! Your King is coming to you:
He is righteous and victorious.
He is humble and rides on a donkey,
on a colt, a young pack animal.
God's Word. 1996, c1995 (Zec 9:9). Grand Rapids: World Publishing.

Zechariah 9:10

     10     cI will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
and dthe war horse from Jerusalem;
          and the battle bow shall be cut off,
and ehe shall speak peace to the nations;
          fhis rule shall be from sea to sea,
and from gthe River to the ends of the earth.

Canada's Coat of Arms

a mari usque ad mare     Motto

Coat of Arms of Canada (since 1994)

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Don | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 8:54 AM
Paul Golder:

Having a spell checker would be wonderful.

I am assuming that you would want a spell checker for American English, but there are other languages and even dialects of English which are supported. No harm in letting Bob know what would be useful, but I can understand Bob's reluctance to get into a full-fledged wordprocessor. From other comments in this and concurrent threads, it almost seems that some users want a stand-alone Logos office suite.
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Hans van den Herik | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 1:12 PM

There is no great problem to implement a spell checker. The simple Wordprocessor in WordSearch 8 has one.

For me there are a couple of wishes

1. Some formatting tools like the tools on this forum.

2. A pop-up ability for Bible texts. So that when you type Gen 1:1 there is a pop up with the text (as in Word Search).

3. The possibility to set a default font and size.

4. The posibility to link to other Libronix resources (as one now have) and the posibility to link to link to reports (as the Bible Study Tools have),

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 1:36 PM

A.J. van den Herik:

There is no great problem to implement a spell checker. The simple Wordprocessor in WordSearch 8 has one.

For me there are a couple of wishes

1. Some formatting tools like the tools on this forum.

2. A pop-up ability for Bible texts. So that when you type Gen 1:1 there is a pop up with the text (as in Word Search).

3. The possibility to set a default font and size.

4. The posibility to link to other Libronix resources (as one now have) and the posibility to link to link to reports (as the Bible Study Tools have),

1. I think there are already more formatting tools (aside from HTML) in notes than exist on this forum.
2. I don't want any pop-ups unless I can disable them (selectively).
3. Absolutely !  Arial 10pt which is the current default is not acceptable to me.  I imagine that each has his own preference.
4. I would like to link to other notes that I have created.  If this is one of the things you include in this, count me in.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2009 9:38 PM

Don't know if it's over the top... but: I second any tablet PC and One Note support we can get.

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2009 9:48 PM

According to my understanding, WordPad is a fairly consize set of code that takes advantage of Microsoft's class libraries, which have the actual functionality. If that is correct then on Windows, duplicating Wordpad's functionality should be comparatively easy.

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2009 9:58 PM

Actually, notes doesn't work properly on the Tablet PC for me. On a tablet, you can insert text (ink converted to regular characters) most places that accept text via a floating "Tablet Input Panel." It appears when you click on a small icon that launches it (XP), which will be there when you put the insertion marker into an area that accepts text. It works in Passage Search and Prayer Requests, but the icon isn't triggered in Notes for me. The control used must somehow be such that the operating system components that provide tablet functionality are not triggering the icon. I can turn on the fixed panel at the bottom of the screen to insert text, but that doesn't auto-expand, so it's less useful - and because it doesn't float it resizes the program windows, which is a pain in the neck on an already small screen.

Of course, I'd love to be able to ink, too.

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Joe Gschwandtner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2009 10:03 PM

I've mentioned this somewhere else, but since it wasn't this thread, yet it's relevant:

 

OneNote stores information in XML format, and there's apparently an API to get to the file contents. I would like to be able to do a single search across all my stuff - articles I've saved off the web, personal notes, sound recordings, etc. If Logos tapped into the OneNote API so that I could do a single search in Logos against Logos resources and my OneNote notes, all my Notes worries would be taken care of.

 

BTW, I'm not sure that the question is asked in such a way that we'll get the responses we need. If all we examine is how we use Notes today - why do we need an improved version? If we're already doing it, it must be stuff that's currently supported. I.e., I think we need to explore what we're doing outside Logos because we can't do it in Notes.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2009 10:55 PM

I have resorted to a native XML database with my own scheme for bible references - not a good choice but one I hope ultimately to be able to tie back into Logos.

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Dan Langston | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 2 2009 7:39 PM

I personally love the notes feature.  I like naming the note, tying it to verse, word, especially nice to be able to attach it to books in addition to Bibles.  One wish, It would be  nice to able to publish straight to a blog like in word 2007.  Synchronizing notes and visual markups are very valuable to me as well. Way to go with version 4.  I can't wait to get my copy

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Matt McGill | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2009 8:51 AM

Bob Pritchett:

(BTW, our notes are stored in XML right now, and are also exportable. Create a Note File Summary and then use the Export feature, or just open the notefile in a text editor -- though that's a power-user feature for people comfortable with XML.)

-- Bob

 

I don't see how to create a note file summary.... I wouldn't mind using the xml files ...

thanks!

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 22 2009 3:40 PM

tom collinge:
I would like the notes to be searchable, added to the passage guide,

This we have in L4

tom collinge:
be able connect a single note to more than one passage,

This is my biggest need ... although with the search I think there is an inelegant workaround.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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