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Paul Engel | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 9 2010 6:43 AM

I've been considering getting an iPad for months now, in large part so I can have Logos on the go.  (I currently use both Logos and a Kindle for reading.)  But with since many of the books on my current reading list not being available on iPad and all the posts I've seen about issues/limitations with the iPad app, I'm starting to wonder if that is the way to go.

Yesterday I started thinking about getting a (relatively) cheap PC table and running the full L4 on it.  While this would probably be heavier than an iPad, I would have my entire library with me, no download issues and the ability to read and edit all my Clipping and Notes documents.  (I find a take a lot more notes when I read electronically then when I read paper.)  

Has anybody tried this?  Do they have suggestions for Tablet PCs (I'm thinking about the Lenovo S10-3t).

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Robert Mullen | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 6:49 AM

I tried using a HP 2730P for a bit and found it to be an unpleasant experience. It was bulky, hot, and somewhat slow. Once it is running L4 is decent but if it goes to sleep or you have to power it up it just takes too long. I switched to the iPad and even though I am not the biggest fan of the Logso iOS app I can say it is better than this particular tablet for my use. It wasn't even close. One Logos puts out their new version I expect it will be much, much better. I just hope it comes along soon.

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Trey Selman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 7:18 AM

I use a Lenovo x200t and it works great with L4. I have moved from using a desktop primarily to using this for almost all of my work. I have a dedicated graphics workstation to do video editing and motion graphics.

However, there are some significant differences between the model you are considering and the S10-3t and the x200t (the current version is the x201t).

The weight difference is not that significant s10-3t is 3lbs. and the x201t is 3.95 lbs (with 8 cell battery). Not that much difference.

The cost difference is significant s10-3t $499/sale price ($699) and the x201t $1499. You can go to the refurbished page (Lenovo Outlet) and get much better pricing for a refurbished model. This is what I did and it has worked great for almost 2 years.

The final significant difference is power under the hood. I imagine you are aware that L4 needs some power to use in an enjoyable manner. I can only speak to the power of the x200t and it is sufficient to run L4 in an enjoyable way. There was a recent thread of a gentleman who purchased a x201t and he was very satisfied with his purchase.

There are others here that use a netbook with atom processors and 5400 rpm drives. I would suggest searching for their input to see if the netbook will suffice for what you want to do.

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 7:26 AM

Hi Paul,

Welcome to the Logos forums!

I have a "netbook-sized" Acer Aspire 1810TZ that has a beefier spec than most cheap netbooks.  It cost me US$600 and it weighs less than 3 lbs with battery.  About 8 hours real battery life (I sometimes switch off the wi-fi if I don't need it to save battery).  It does NOT get hot, only slightly warm (most impressive thing about this laptop).  The fan only comes on occasionally if it's plugged into wall power, otherwise it is completely quiet.  

It runs Logos 4 and many other programs very well.  It has an 11" screen and Duo Core CPU.  I take it with me very frequently.  The only down side is the keyboard is not as good as the one on other netbooks such as Toshiba's netbook.

Nowadays they are starting to make netbooks with even more powerful CPU's (i3, i5, i7).  This may be a good alternative to the iPad if you have those concerns.  Others have also suggested getting a remote-control app on the iPad and access your home computer that way.  But your home computer will have to be on the whole time you're outside of the house.  Gets into the topics of energy stewardship and planet resource stewardship, which I won't get into.

Hope this helps.

Peter

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 8:27 AM

It seems to me the issue is being overlooked here. All the mentioned computers, net books etc. will run L4 to varying degrees but NONE will provide a better reading experience than a desktop. I have an iPad and for reading it can't be beat. There are several shortcomings but most should be addressed in the next update and Logos is adding resources daily. I would not trade my iPad for anything!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 9:09 AM

Another ipad alternative  for you in the netbook class of computers might be the new Macbook Air expected to be released later this month. When I got my new macBook Pro in the late spring i seriously thought of one, but decided the current model was just not powerful enough to my liking, also the new one  is said to have a 11.5 inch screen rather than the previous 13 inch screen. One current concern about the iphone/ipad app is that, not all items in your library are accessible. More and more items are becoming accessible but if you own something Logos no longer sells, for example in my Library I have the 2 sets of Daily Study Bibles, and the Oxford Bible Commentary,  OBC is in the old LLS format and both DSB series are in Libronix format, Logos no longer has publishing rights for the later and the the former was always a outside product. Unless Logos ever modifies it's iPad program to be able to sync items off your computers Library, I doubt i will ever get those items for my iphone. Also be aware that the iOS app requires wifi or network activity to use. It is a cloud model and uses all data online (one can download some to your phone for airplane mode use, but you will have no footnote access and if you ever click by accident log off, everything on your iOS device is deleted. I am hoping for something better in coming in this area but only time will tell.

 

-dan 

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 11:42 AM

Alan Charles Gielczyk:

It seems to me the issue is being overlooked here. All the mentioned computers, net books etc. will run L4 to varying degrees but NONE will provide a better reading experience than a desktop. I have an iPad and for reading it can't be beat. There are several shortcomings but most should be addressed in the next update and Logos is adding resources daily. I would not trade my iPad for anything!

Alan you have hit it pretty cleanly. If you need to analyze, search, make handouts, etc, there is no substitute for a full powered machine . If you want to read a book (if it is available) the iPad is better than the powerful machine since you can "curl up" with it.  I have an ASUS notebook that I use as a backup for my regular notebook, but it is a real pain to use because it is VERY slow (takes a day or two to update index).  I would not like to read a book on it due to the awkward/small screen.

Bob - 17" MBP quad 2.3GHz 4GB  and iMAC

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 12:33 PM

After handbrake preparation, playing "Learn to use Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" videos on iPad worthwhile.

Likewise concur with reading books on iPad, including Logos 4 offline - albeit not in direct sunlight.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 9 2010 8:03 PM

Paul Engel:

Has anybody tried this?  Do they have suggestions for Tablet PCs (I'm thinking about the Lenovo S10-3t).

  A few use PCtablets a lot--for the portable "got it all" use case you've outlined.

  I like my i5-powered HP tm2t--but with great power comes great responsibility a few GUI irritants.  Search the forum for tips:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/14742/177300.aspx#177300

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Bob | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 10 2010 12:15 PM

Ward Walker:

Paul Engel:

Has anybody tried this?  Do they have suggestions for Tablet PCs (I'm thinking about the Lenovo S10-3t).

  A few use PCtablets a lot--for the portable "got it all" use case you've outlined.

 

I found that the iPad is at least as good as my old motion M1300 in sunlight.  With either computer you need to find a way to shade the screen to use it outdoors.  Motion claims to have the best screens for outdoor use, but I have my doubts.

Bob - 17" MBP quad 2.3GHz 4GB  and iMAC

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2010 5:02 AM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
playing "Learn to use Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" videos on iPad worthwhile.

Did you load all of the videos on the iPad? I've 2 that won't copy over.

thanX!!

{charley}

running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 11 2010 4:11 PM

I've not used a Tablet PC for Logos in about 7 months (since getting my iPad). I would not go back. I love the iPad for reading. Sure, serious Bible study like one can do with Logos 4 on a computer is not possible on the iPad, but a lot of what is there for basic study is there on the iPad.

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