Bible Background Collection @ Mark Barnes in particular

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Oct 23 2010 6:07 AM

Hey folks... I'm looking for some pointers in setting up a Bible Background Collection. I'd like one similar to the one that Mark Barnes demonstrated in his second video (Note Taking) on Sermon Prep.

Thanks and be blessed!

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John Murphy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 6:25 AM

This is my Bible backgrounds collection which I got from I believe John Fallahee, if memory serves.  If you want to use this string, you just start a collection in L4 and copy and paste it into the "Start with resources matching" box.  Not sure if it's what you're looking for, but it's one possibility.

 

(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament--Background","Jews", "Judaism") OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:dictionary)) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews--Conversion", "Hebrew Language")

 

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 6:35 AM

Thanks John... Should the string "type:dictionary" be changed to "type:encyclopedia" with the new tagging that just came out? (To get Bible Dictionaries?)

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Chuck P. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 8:31 AM

I just set mine up as John Murphy does his and it picked up my dictionaries just fine....

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Paul Golder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 8:50 AM

Why not:

"type:(dictionary,encyclopedia)"

As in:

(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament--Background","Jews", "Judaism") OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:(dictionary,encyclopedia))) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews--Conversion", "Hebrew Language")

 

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 5:36 PM

Well... when I type 'type:dictionary' in my Library window, I get Oxford and Merriam-Webster dictionaries....

Not useful for background obviously... When I type:'type:encyclopedia' I get the Bible Dictionaries but a lot of other 'non-background' items too.

I know that answers my own question but I have to figure out the Collection syntax now :)

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 5:56 PM

Here is my collection:

(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom)
      OR (subject:("iron age", excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:(dictionary,encyclopedia)))
      ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine)

Here is the list of texts which result:

 

 

Bible Backgrounds

Walton, J. H. (2009). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Old Testament) Volume 3: 1 & 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Negev, A. (1996). The Archaeological encyclopedia of the Holy Land (3rd ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press.

Porter, S. E., & Evans, C. A. (2000). Dictionary of New Testament background : A compendium of contemporary biblical scholarship (electronic ed.). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

Walton, J. H. (2009). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Old Testament) Volume 1: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Arnold, C. E. (2002). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary Volume 4: Hebrews to Revelation. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Packer, J., Tenney, M. C., & White, W. (1997). Nelson's illustrated manners and customs of the Bible. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

Walton, J. H. (2009). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Old Testament) Volume 4: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Keener, C. S., & InterVarsity Press. (1993). The IVP Bible background commentary : New Testament. Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press.

Matthews, V. H., Chavalas, M. W., & Walton, J. H. (2000). The IVP Bible background commentary : Old Testament (electronic ed.). Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press.

Arnold, C. E. (2002). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary Volume 2: John, Acts. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Walton, J. H. (2009). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Old Testament) Volume 2: Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 & 2 Samuel. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Arnold, C. E. (2002). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary Volume 1: Matthew, Mark , Luke. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Walton, J. H. (2009). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Old Testament) Volume 5: The Minor Prophets, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Vos, H. F. (1999). Nelson's new illustrated Bible manners & customs : How the people of the Bible really lived. Nashville, Tenn.: T. Nelson Publishers.

Freeman, J. M., & Chadwick, H. J. (1998). Manners & customs of the Bible (Rev. ed.].). North Brunswick, NJ: Bridge-Logos Publishers.

New Testament Background Commentary: A New Dictionary of Words, Phrases and Situations in Bible Order

Mare, W. H. (2004). New Testament Background Commentary: A New Dictionary of Words, Phrases and Situations in Bible Order. Ross-shire, UK: Mentor.

Romans to Philemon: Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary, Volume 3

Arnold, C. E. (2002). Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary Volume 3: Romans to Philemon. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Edersheim, A. (2003). Sketches of Jewish social life in the days of Christ. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Malina, B., & Joubert, S. (1997). A Time Travel to the World of Jesus. Halfway House: Orion.

 

 

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Floyd

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 6:38 PM

Floyd Johnson:

Here is my collection:

(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom)
      OR (subject:("iron age", excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:(dictionary,encyclopedia)))
      ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine)

This missed Holman's Bible Atlas which has a lot of Background stuff.

 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 23 2010 7:49 PM

steve clark:

This missed Holman's Bible Atlas which has a lot of Background stuff.

Thanks - I have added this as an additional resource to my list.  I also merged my collections of maps and atlas' into my Bible Background collection.

 

Blessings,
Floyd

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 5:12 AM

Hey there...

Well I think I've got it sorted. I ended up with 47 resources.. Here is the syntax I used...

(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament--Background","Jews", "Judaism") OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) OR type:(encyclopedia) OR title:(map,atlas))) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews--Conversion", "Hebrew Language") ANDNOT title:(Cascadia,Syntac)

Again, everytime I add type:dictionary, it adds the two dictionaries (Merriam-Webster, etc)

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 3:05 PM

Tom:
Again, everytime I add type:dictionary, it adds the two dictionaries (Merriam-Webster, etc)

I do not see this in my collection - but this is why LOGOS provides the tools needed to eliminate individual books that you do not want in a collection.  Just drag the title to the right side of the collection window, where it says "Minus these resources".

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Floyd

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 7:46 PM

Floyd Johnson:

Tom:
Again, everytime I add type:dictionary, it adds the two dictionaries (Merriam-Webster, etc)

I do not see this in my collection - but this is why LOGOS provides the tools needed to eliminate individual books that you do not want in a collection.  Just drag the title to the right side of the collection window, where it says "Minus these resources".

Yup... but the issue is that type:dictionary ONLY pulled in those two resources (both word dictionaries). So I just removed that syntax....

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 7:50 PM

Tom:
but the issue is that type:dictionary ONLY pulled in those two resources (both word dictionaries).

Had the same problem. Bradley pointed me to this link http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24033.aspx

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 7:53 PM

steve clark:
Tom:
but the issue is that type:dictionary ONLY pulled in those two resources (both word dictionaries).
Had the same problem. Bradley pointed me to this link http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24033.aspx

Thanks Steve - was just about to point to this, but saw your comment before posting.

 

 

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Floyd

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 24 2010 7:53 PM

steve clark:
Tom:
but the issue is that type:dictionary ONLY pulled in those two resources (both word dictionaries).
Had the same problem. Bradley pointed me to this link http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24033.aspx

Thanks Steve - was just about to point to this, but saw your comment before posting.

 

 

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Floyd

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 3:24 PM

Sorry for not replying to this much earlier. I was in a tent in France when you posted, and the time I arrived home your post had long left the recent posts screen. I just found it whilst googling my name!

In case it's still useful, I currently have three 'background' collections. I do some post-grad work that forces me to look at background a lot, so my current set-up might be overkill, though.

Background: Graeco-Roman (17 resources for me)
title:(greco,graeco) OR subject:(greco,graeco,"Christianity and other religions--Greek", "Christianity and other religions--Roman", "Greece--Religion", "New Testament--Greek-Roman")
plus a few additional resources (Christ's Body in Corinth, Conversion at Corinth, Doing Things With Words in the First Christian Century, The Elders, Neither Jew nor Greek, and Paul and His World)

Background: Judaism (139 resources for me)
(title:("second temple", jps, qumran, targum, "dead sea", "rabbinical", "ascension of isaiah") OR subject:("Judaism--Influence",targum, "second temple", qumran, "dead sea", "rabbinical", "Palestine--History--To 70 A.D.", "Jews--History--586 B.C.-70 A.D.", mishnah, "Philo", josephus, "Judaism--Encyclopedias", "ascension of isaiah", "Jews--History--168 B.C.-135 A.D.", "Judaism--History--Talmudic period") OR author:(Josephus, Philo) OR (subject:(apocrypha, pseudepigrapha) AND subject:("O.T.", "Old Testament"))  OR mytag:"Second Temple") ANDNOT author:"Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon" AND lang:english
plus a few additional resources (Dictionary of New Testament Background and A Marginal Jew)

Bible Background (210 resources for me)
(title:(manner,custom,background,archaeolog, archeolog) OR subject:(manner,custom,"New Testament—Background","Jews", "Judaism", antiquities, "christianity--origin", historiography, palestine, qumran, rabinnic*, talmud) OR (subject:(excavation,archaeolog,archeolog, antiquities) AND type:dictionary)) ANDNOT subject:(canon,doctrine,"Jews—Conversion", "Hebrew Language")
plus the two earlier collections

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 9 2011 4:14 PM

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 10 2011 7:07 AM

Tom C:
I'm looking for some pointers in setting up a Bible Background Collection.

Rather than building a very complex rule for building a dynamic collection I find that just tagging the books is MUCH easier and does not miss things. When I get a new book I simply decide what collection or collections I want it in and tag is right away. Since I have a controlled vocabulary (limited list of words) for the tagging it is all very easy.The tags build their own "dynamic" collections that I can use in guides or directly in searches.

Here are the Bible indexed (have Bible milestones) resources that I have tagged as Bible background commentaries.

Here are the non-Bible indexed resources I have tagged as having good background material.

I have tagged some resources as having "original documents" that might relate to Bible backgrounds. Just two of these are at the bottom of the screenshot above.

Here is how I use Bible background commentaries, and Bible background books in a passage guide.

Take you pick. You can either write convoluted dynamic collection formulae (that may not always catch every thing) or you simply go through you library and put each resource where you want it. I vote for the tagging method. Then use dynamic collections to build supersets of the tagged collections.

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 10 2011 7:27 AM

Frank Fenby:
You can either write convoluted dynamic collection formulae (that may not always catch every thing) or you simply go through you library and put each resource where you want it. I vote for the tagging method. Then use dynamic collections to build supersets of the tagged collections.

 

Frank, I agree your method is more accurate.  I wish I'd known this when I started with Logos (I came along one month before the release of L4).

Now, it's too much time/trouble to go through three or four thousand books and add all the tags, especially since I'm unfamiliar with quite a few of the resources that came in packages...I'm not sure how to tag them all.

So I still depend on 'convoluted' dynamic collection rules to some degree.

At least now, when I get new resources, I tag them when they arrive.

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 10 2011 8:09 AM

Doc B:
At least now, when I get new resources, I tag them when they arrive.

I tagged nearly 3000 resources with about less than 40 hours of effort and I did not have base from which to start. You are lucky, you can used open one of your rule based collections give all the books in it the same tag.

It really pays to open each book in your library (just one volume will do for sets) a decide where to put it.  On the info panel and read the blurb, and notice how it is indexed (Bible indexed resources should I think be tagged different then the others). That may be enough to tell you how to tag it. If not look at the table on contents. I have sledom had to go as far as reading part of an article.Here is my tagging system.  6521.A Controlled Vocabulary for Logos Book Tags.doc

Do what you need to, but I strongly recommend migrating to tagging as fast as you can.

 

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