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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 18 2010 11:40 PM

EmileB:

So... questions.... Is L4 for Mac really that bad, or are the problems isolated cases? Are they in actuality only picky problems with speed, or the result of too high expectations? Or am I really in for problems? How difficult is it going to be for me to get this thing up and working well (the one thread leaves one with the impression that L4 for Mac is practically unusable)? And what machine will run this program the best (including the other things I've indicated that I do?).

Any perspectives would be much appreciated!

Emile

Hi Emile

Few points regarding your queries:

 

  • Firstly is a Mac better than Windows? Always and in every way. Does a Mac last better? Yes. (Have, and do I, use both OSes? Yes for years + Linux)
  • An iMac desktop machine is always going to have more performance per dollar than a notebook (MacBook). If you were going to ship machine from point A to B and just keep it on your desk then do you need a notebook?
  • If you are getting a MacBook then the 15" MacBook is good balance. The 13" models have older slower processors. The 15" MacBook Pros are truly beautiful machines, and solid.
  • Once you get where you are going if you want/need a larger screen at your desk then you can get any reasonable quality widescreen (16:9) LCD screen 23" size or more and run that from the MacBook.
  • Don't get less than 4GB of RAM — you can never have too much RAM.
  • If your budget can handle it the mid-range MacBook 15" (15-inch: 2.53GHz processor) comes with 4GB and Intel i5 processor. You might want to speed up the HDD by changing from 5400 rpm to 7200 rpm (I would do some research first though to make sure that faster rpm drive is reliable)
  • SDD drives are good — but the price premium to use it as sole replacement main drive is pretty steep. For your listed computer usage not really necessary. Of course in SSD drives there are no moving parts to break down, but (currently) you pay steeply for the privilege.
  • No computer, even an Apple, is immune from possible hardware problems. On the whole Macs have much better reliability ratings then Windows machines but you should (given you are going out country) get Apple extended care.
  • This website http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/ will give you idea of speed rating between Mac machines.
  • For Logos 4 Mac performance. From what I see there are one group (of unknown percentage) who have performance problems and there are the rest (majority?) who do not. I don't. The ones who have performance problems seem to have corrupted installations, see my post here in this busy thread. For example for one task in Logos I get time of 10.4 seconds one of the people with problems takes 180 seconds. To me clearly there is a problem with person's L4M installation — not a performance issue with L4M per se. Not saying that L4M goes like a rocket, but it is comfortable performance.
  • Download and get your Logos installation done with all indexing completely finished before you go. Put MacBook on mains power, do the downloads and let it do indexing overnight. Disable power saving while it is indexing overnight (indexing, depending on library size can take all night).
  • Particularly if you are going to be away from high speed Internet access BACKUP your clean working Logos 4 installation (application + data directory) to DVD before you go. If it gets corrupted it will be much less painless to copy back from disk then download/reindex all over. I don't have direct experience of doing this (I use Time Machine) but again it would be better than having to re-install.

 

Hope that helps with some pointers. Know you will love your Mac.

- Patrick

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EmileB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 11:51 AM

Mike and Patrick, thank you for your insights. I have found them quite helpful.

I suppose that those who post to a forum thread on problems/slow machines would naturally reflect only those who may be having problems, so it would understandably leave a skewed impression. It's  a pity that there isn't a thread... "WOW! This thing works great! for me!"

I have actually returned a couple of times in my thinking to the iMac 21.5" with the i5 3.6 GHz processor, 8 GB of Ram and 2 TB 7200 rpm harddrive. I also think iWorks will handle all of my needs, plus Word (I need that for some freelance editing that I do to help fund our real work). (BTW - thanks for the link to the benchmark scores... I found that very helpful as I had considered the mini... but performance seems too low in comparison). The iMac I've described, software included, with One-to-One and Apple Extended Care, comes in at a bit over $2500. The next fastest option down on the benchmark list would be the Mackbook Pro 15" with i7 2.8 GHz processor, 500 GB 5400 hard drive and 8 GB ram. But for that (with software and extended service), we're looking at more than $3500... a $1000 more than the iMac, with a lower benchmark score, less storage capacity, etc. I confess that I really don't know how much of a practical difference a benchmark score of 6704 (the iMac) would be from a score of 5958 (the Macbook Pro)... I assume its noticable? That's why I opted against a mini, as it looks like it has a benchmark score of 3650... which seems substantially different from that of the iMac.

You're right that I really don't need a laptop if I will be using the iPad when traveling. The "main" computer would be essentially staying put.

So, from your posts and what I've read on this thread elsewhere, it seems like L4Mac would run well on the iMac 21.5" that I have described, correct? Perhaps the iMac is overkill in terms of running L4 Mac? (Macbook Air looks great from a portability perspective... and from Kevin Purcell's helpful video, it looks like it would work okay, so I'm considering it... but it's benchmark score is only 3003... half of the iMac). I just don't know how much power/speed is really necessary to run L4M smoothly.

My concerns are simply in how to get the machine to where we are going. Shipping really isn't an option. I'm fairly confident it would never arrive. So I need to bring it with me I'll be traveling by boat, plane and train. The boat and plane will not pose any difficulties. The plane is a close shave. I wouldn't be thrilled about the idea of checking my iMac into the cargo hold (I also don't want to use one of my two suitcases to carry the computer... I have to bring everything I'll need on the field... this is a permanent move). However, the iMac 21.5" falls within the size parameters for a carry-on (barely)... so i could keep it with me. I'd be a bit nervous for that 2.5-hour flight, but I would think I could keep it safe.

Thanks again for everyone's feedback. If there are further thoughts/suggestions, I'm all ears!

Best wishes,

Emile

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 19 2010 4:46 PM

EmileB:
So, from your posts and what I've read on this thread elsewhere, it seems like L4Mac would run well on the iMac 21.5" that I have described, correct? Perhaps the iMac is overkill in terms of running L4 Mac? (Macbook Air looks great from a portability perspective... and from Kevin Purcell's helpful video, it looks like it would work okay, so I'm considering it... but it's benchmark score is only 3003... half of the iMac). I just don't know how much power/speed is really necessary to run L4M smoothly.

"Well" depends on what want Logos 4 Mac to do (and how quick of a response for various items) - 21.5" iMac should be usable.

EmileB:
However, the iMac 21.5" falls within the size parameters for a carry-on (barely)...

Suggest verifying with airline - looking at carry-on sizes => http://www.luggageonline.com/about_airlines.cfm many airlines would not allow 21.5" iMac in cabin due to width (seem to remember some international flights having smaller carry-on sizes).  Laptop would be easier to transport.

For cross country move, did pack lots of light stuff inside iMac box (filled box) - no damage after 1,800 miles (tightly packed other stuff around box).

EmileB:

Thanks again for everyone's feedback. If there are further thoughts/suggestions, I'm all ears!

Apple has over 300 retail stores worldwide (in 10 countries) => http://www.apple.com/retail/storelist/  (perhaps purchase or pickup at an Apple Store near field location)

Also wonder about visitor(s) to field bringing a Mac with them.

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Patrick S. | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 20 2010 2:11 PM

EmileB:

So, from your posts and what I've read on this thread elsewhere, it seems like L4Mac would run well on the iMac 21.5" that I have described, correct? Perhaps the iMac is overkill in terms of running L4 Mac?

"You can never have too much RAM" & you can never have a too fast machine. Get as much horsepower as your budget and carrying (of box) can handle.

EmileB:

(Macbook Air looks great from a portability perspective... and from Kevin Purcell's helpful video, it looks like it would work okay, so I'm considering it... but it's benchmark score is only 3003... half of the iMac). I just don't know how much power/speed is really necessary to run L4M smoothly.

I wouldn't get an Air, if you want portability then get a MacBook Pro. But you just confirmed that you don't need to travel around with your machine.

EmileB:

My concerns are simply in how to get the machine to where we are going. 

Only you can answer that — wherever it is you are going! Get the exact dimensions of the iMac 21.5" box and go to the airline. Get something in writing from them that confirms you can carry it in the cabin. To stop any overzealous/officious people at the airline gate.

 

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Hanson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 28 2010 2:45 AM

Let me begin by saying I didn't read all the posts on here.

If it hasn't been said yet I'll say it now. Wait until next year to by a new macbook pro. This is because Apple will be updating there laptops in the spring and you will end up with a lot more computer for the same price and possible even a little less. Also always upgrade the ram yourself by buying through a trusted company this will save you a lot of money and will not void your warranty.

Just my opinion

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Dec 28 2010 8:40 PM

 

EmileB:
For the most part to this point, I primarily use "My Library" like I would have used my hard copy library... I pull a book off the shelf and read it.

An iPad has option for offline resource reading - needs network connection to download.  Can login to Logos web site http://biblia.com/ to see resources available for iPad.

Currently, the iPad Logos application lacks offline search. In a bible, can type a reference and jump to a verse (easy to switch translations).

The iPad also has many other book reader applications with offline capability plus many free books: Apple's iBooks, Amazon's Kindle, Barnes & Noble Nook.

Currently Apple has discounted refurbished Wi-Fi iPad's => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad

Mathias L. Hanson:

Let me begin by saying I didn't read all the posts on here.

If it hasn't been said yet I'll say it now. Wait until next year to by a new macbook pro. This is because Apple will be updating there laptops in the spring and you will end up with a lot more computer for the same price and possible even a little less.  Also always upgrade the ram yourself by buying through a trusted company this will save you a lot of money and will not void your warranty.

Welcome Mattias Big Smile

Reading rumors about iPad 2 production starting up.  Looking at buyer's guide => http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ noticing MacBook Air is only Mac model refresh since July.  Looking forward to Mac refreshes after Intel formally announces Sandy Bridge processors on Jan 5, 2011 (dreaming of iMac with 3.4 GHz Quad Core i7) - not know which will ship first next year: Logos 4.2a stable (Mac and PC) or Apple Mac refreshes.

Concur with upgrading RAM (caveat - need to be careful with static electricity discharge).

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