Allegorical Hermeneutics

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Dec 4 2010 7:11 PM

Most of my commentaries that I own, side to the traditional Antiochian form of hermeneutics that take more of a literal approach. I was wondering what are some good Allegorical or Alexandrian formed hermeneutic based commentaries. Ones that are focused more on the 

"Figures of Speech Group of Principles:

  • The Numerical Principle
  • The Symbolic Principle
  • The Typical Principle: "Certain people, events, objects and rituals found in the Old Testament may serve as object lessons and pictures by which God teaches us of his grace and saving power."
  • The Parabolic Principle
  • The Allegorical Principle"

Biblical hermeneutics. (2010, October 25). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 03:11, December 5, 2010, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biblical_hermeneutics&oldid=392772323

 

 

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Dr. Charles A. Wootten | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 5:42 AM

Blair, One of the best that I've seen is the book and study guide from Kevin J. Conner entitled "Interpreting the Scriptures." It's over at  http://www.citychristianpublishing.com/books/?isbn=0-914936-20-4 . He's an Australian from beautiful downtown Melbourne (if I'm not mistaken) and has his own website under his name.

He discusses methods of interpretation such as allegorical, mystical, devotional, rationalistic, literal, and others as a background. He then gets into principles of interpretation such as context, first mention, comparative, and others including those you listed.

I wish all of his materials were in Logos!

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:02 AM

Thanks, do you know if there are some commentaries that are dedicated to that form of hermeneutics? I am really having a hard time finding any..

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:21 AM

Logos has a couple resources we used in my Hermeneutics class last fall that may be of help.

Stein http://www.logos.com/product/5323/a-basic-guide-to-interpreting-the-bible-playing-by-the-rules

Vickler http://www.logos.com/product/5326/hermeneutics-principles-and-processes-of-biblical-interpretation-2nd-ed

and you can find both of these resources in the bundle for Baker's Hermeneutics http://www.logos.com/product/4492/baker-hermeneutics-collection

I hope this helps.

Matt

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:25 AM

Matthew Hamrick:

Logos has a couple resources we used in my Hermeneutics class last fall that may be of help.

Stein http://www.logos.com/product/5323/a-basic-guide-to-interpreting-the-bible-playing-by-the-rules

Vickler http://www.logos.com/product/5326/hermeneutics-principles-and-processes-of-biblical-interpretation-2nd-ed

and you can find both of these resources in the bundle for Baker's Hermeneutics http://www.logos.com/product/4492/baker-hermeneutics-collection

I hope this helps.

Matt

Thanks, I am looking for commentaries that are based on the allegorical form, rather then books about hermeneutics.

 

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:37 AM

I don't know of any hermeneutics books that could help you out, oh wait, you want COMMENTARIES! Isn't it funny how people don't read anymore just scan and assume?

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:43 AM

Blair if you find any please let us know, I would be interested in them also.  I suspect this type of interpretation would come more from revelation and inspiration and would therefore come from mystics from the middle ages or modern day charismatics.  To interpret the Bible this way is sort of like putting your head on a chopping block.  Most commentators would rather be well liked (and purchased) than to be controversial.  Perhaps rather than a single author, someone has put together a collection of allegorical interpretations.  Perhaps some of the books mentioned have bibliographies of an allegorical type commentary.  Any type of understanding I have ever received along these lines is never in any commentaries I have looked at. 

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 6:54 AM

I do not own Ancient Christian commentary, but I thought maybe that would contain a-lot of allegory. I had read somewhere in my study of hermeneutics it was real big in the school of Alexandrian, and even during the middle ages. I have been searching all over, and am unable to locate such a commentary. I was trained in the more literal form, so it is hard for me to make those allegorical applications.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 8:07 AM

Blair Laird:

"Figures of Speech Group of Principles:

  • The Numerical Principle
  • The Symbolic Principle
  • The Typical Principle: "Certain people, events, objects and rituals found in the Old Testament may serve as object lessons and pictures by which God teaches us of his grace and saving power."
  • The Parabolic Principle
  • The Allegorical Principle"

I am not sure if this fits, but check out the Numerical Bible (7 Volumes).  Read the sample pages and maybe this will fit for item #1 above. 

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 8:10 AM

Thanks Joe that is the type of stuff I am looking for..

Blessings in Christ..

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Mike T | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 5 2010 8:44 AM

Blair, since parables are by nature allegorical, other resources you may be interested in may be those dealing with parables, such as 'Interpreting the Parables,' by Craig Blomberg:

http://www.logos.com/product/2956/interpreting-the-parables

 

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James Matichuk | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2010 6:07 PM

Blair,

I have used the Ancient Christian Commentary and it does have  a lot of  allegorical interpretation, depending on the passage. It is a compilation of patristic sources discussing the various passages. Even the Antiochean school, is more figurative than the historical-critical methodology which dominates modern exegesis and the Alexandrian school (Origen and the Cappadocians are well represented). Another series is The Church's Bible edited by Robert Wilken http://www.eerdmans.com/series/cb.htm. It isn't in logos yet and there are only a few volumes at present. It looks like a promising series.

In terms of modern interpretation which is more figurative and allegorical, the Brazos Theological Commentary series is written by theologians not Biblical scholars, so they tend to make more figurative leaps in the name of theologizing. Though not every volume in the series would be allegorical, it is more allegorically friendly (Rusty Reno does the Genesis commentary). http://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/brazos-theological-commentary-btc/. While I and others have suggested it to Logos, thus far it hasn't shown up on Pre-Pub. I keep hoping for it.

Besides those, I can't think of anything, but I did a class on Spiritual Interpretation of the Bible in Seminary so may have more in a bibliography somewhere. I'll add something if I see anything interesting.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2010 6:17 PM

CATENA AUREA users--does this show alleghorical interpretation from the church fathers?

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James Matichuk | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2010 8:04 PM

Of course! I can't believe I didn't think of this. I just picked it up, but haven't used it much yet. Aquinas is compiling patristic sources to reflect Medieval orthodoxy. Medieval hermeneutics reflects a more allegorical approach (as does patristics). 

As It is a commentary on the gospels, however, it is softer in its allegorical interpretation (the Fathers see tremendous significance in the literal sense in their reading of Jesus' life). Where traditional interpretation gets more 'allegorical' is it's interpretations of the Old Testament where everything is seen through a Christological lens.

As for theCatena Aurea, send me a passage you are interested in, and I can give you an example of what it does.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 9 2010 8:38 PM

Dan DeVilder:

CATENA AUREA users--does this show alleghorical interpretation from the church fathers?

Only to users from Allegheny, PA. Smile  It's allegorical.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 10 2010 7:23 AM

Rosie Perera:
It's allegorical.

 

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:53 AM

The Concordia Commentary has a massive volume on the Song of Songs that takes the novel approach of not just commenting on the text, but also treating the history of interpretation in some detail - which for many centuries frequently took an allegorical approach, especially for the Song. I don't know how much of that is found in the other Concordia volumes, but at least Song of Songs has a lot of examples of allegorical interpretation. Also of interest may be Biblical Exegesis in the Apostolic Period, which breaks down the NT use of the Hebrew Bible down by the interpretation methods used - interesting data regardless of whether or not you agree with the book's conclusions.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 5:16 PM

Vincent Setterholm:

The Concordia Commentary has a massive volume on the Song of Songs that takes the novel approach of not just commenting on the text, but also treating the history of interpretation in some detail - which for many centuries frequently took an allegorical approach, especially for the Song. I don't know how much of that is found in the other Concordia volumes, but at least Song of Songs has a lot of examples of allegorical interpretation. Also of interest may be Biblical Exegesis in the Apostolic Period, which breaks down the NT use of the Hebrew Bible down by the interpretation methods used - interesting data regardless of whether or not you agree with the book's conclusions.

Thanks for that post, Vincent!  *smile*    Peace to you!

           Yes!  That's quite a fantastic commentary.  In the Concordia Commentary on the Song of Songs the author also has a major section on hymnody called, noting that hymns often have an allegorical "bent."  He is Lutheran; however he lists many hymns common to most denominations.  If anyone would like a sample, please reply to this post or start a new one.

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 5:41 PM

James Matichuk:

Blair,

I have used the Ancient Christian Commentary and it does have  a lot of  allegorical interpretation, depending on the passage. It is a compilation of patristic sources discussing the various passages. Even the Antiochean school, is more figurative than the historical-critical methodology which dominates modern exegesis and the Alexandrian school (Origen and the Cappadocians are well represented). Another series is The Church's Bible edited by Robert Wilken http://www.eerdmans.com/series/cb.htm. It isn't in logos yet and there are only a few volumes at present. It looks like a promising series.

In terms of modern interpretation which is more figurative and allegorical, the Brazos Theological Commentary series is written by theologians not Biblical scholars, so they tend to make more figurative leaps in the name of theologizing. Though not every volume in the series would be allegorical, it is more allegorically friendly (Rusty Reno does the Genesis commentary). http://www.bestcommentaries.com/series/brazos-theological-commentary-btc/. While I and others have suggested it to Logos, thus far it hasn't shown up on Pre-Pub. I keep hoping for it.

Besides those, I can't think of anything, but I did a class on Spiritual Interpretation of the Bible in Seminary so may have more in a bibliography somewhere. I'll add something if I see anything interesting.

Thanks, your post has been most helpful. I wish Logos carried more in this field. I own Aquinas's commentary, the problem is it is only on the gospels.

Brazos Theological Commentary (BTC) seems to be the closest, if indeed it follows the Alexandrian form. Is there a place that I can sample read it? I hate to by hardback..

 

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 13 2010 6:28 PM

Blair Laird:
Is there a place that I can sample read it?
 Yes.

Amazon.com: Matthew (Brazos Theological Commentary on the Bible) (9781587430954): Stanley Hauerwas: Books

Coming from a theological perspective seems to be a fresh approach to producing commentaries and seems to hold promise.  Getting a wider perspective might be reason enough for them to be in Logos.  You can read a sample and also read some reviews at this site.

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