Apostolic Fathers Compare Greek/English in Search Results

When performing a morphological search in a Bible, such as the ESV, if I show the results as Verses (instead of Aligned of Analysis), I get the option to display another resource side by side. This is useful if I search the NA27, I can put the ESV or NASB beside and quickly see the English text of the verse (as my Greek is not so good).

If I perform the same search in the Apostolic Fathers (Holme's edition), I get no such option to allow me to compare another resource side by side, which is very frustrating. I am able to search in Lake's edition and get English results, but I would prefer Holme's as that is more recent. Additionally, when viewing Holme's edition in English, there is no interlinear button such as there is when viewing Lake's.

Is there a way around this to show search results for Apostolic Fathers in both Greek and English? Is that intended functionality with only being able to view the interlinear tab for Lake's edition and not Lightfoot's or Holme's?

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Brian Leathers

This might be of some interest to you:http://www.logos.com/product/6091/the-apostolic-fathers-greek-english-interlinear

Ben Martin

I had seen that resource, but it is in prepub and looks like it won't be completed until mid next year.

What I really want it to be able to compare search results in the greek text side by side with english results, as I can with the NA27 and ESV, for example.

For a piece of software that costs many hundreds of dollars, you would think logos could open another resource beside your search results and display content from that using the verse references returned from the original search.

fgh

Is there a way around this to show search results for Apostolic Fathers in both Greek and English?

I have (sort of) found two:

1) If you prioritize the English translation above the Greek text when you search in Greek, you can get the translation by hovering above the reference. Though it will cover [part of] the Greek, so it's mainly useful for checking the meaning of words you don't know or remember, not for in depth comparisons.

2) If you save the search results as a Passage List and click Add Version, you do get the option to add the English translation. However, when I try that in Mac, either nothing happens at all, or the text simply switches to English, without even the option to switch back. There seems to be a bug here. I would be interested to know if it works in Windows.

I second your request, though. If we have both Greek and English versions, we should be able to see search results in both, whether it be the Bible, the Apostolic Fathers, Philo, Josephus, or anything else (like the Patrologia, when it is published).

Mark Barnes

If I perform the same search in the Apostolic Fathers (Holme's edition), I get no such option to allow me to compare another resource side by side, which is very frustrating. I am able to search in Lake's edition and get English results, but I would prefer Holme's as that is more recent. Additionally, when viewing Holme's edition in English, there is no interlinear button such as there is when viewing Lake's.

That's an excellent suggestion. It would be very helpful, and shouldn't be all that tricky to implement.

Kevin Becker

2) If you save the search results as a Passage List and click Add Version, you do get the option to add the English translation. However, when I try that in Mac, either nothing happens at all, or the text simply switches to English, without even the option to switch back. There seems to be a bug here. I would be interested to know if it works in Windows.

Same behavior in Windows.

It's definitely a bug. I'll go report this in the Windows Beta forum. (EDIT: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/27273.aspx )

fgh

It's definitely a bug. I'll go report this in the Windows Beta forum.

I have now reported it in the Mac forum as well: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/27279.aspx.

Ben Martin

Thanks for the pointers. The passage list idea would be a good work around once the add version bug gets fixed.

NetworkGeek

1) If you prioritize the English translation above the Greek text when you search in Greek, you can get the translation by hovering above the reference. Though it will cover [part of] the Greek, so it's mainly useful for checking the meaning of words you don't know or remember, not for in depth comparisons.

I have tried this in the latest beta and it does not work. I even put Apostolic Fathers: English Translations as the highest resource in my priorities and I do not get English when I hover. Does this actually work, what am I doing wrong?

Dave Hooton

I have tried this in the latest beta and it does not work.

Same with Lightfoot (LAFG). If I create a Passage List, though the hover comes up in English (LAFE)!

George Somsel

When performing a morphological search in a Bible, such as the ESV, if I show the results as Verses (instead of Aligned of Analysis), I get the option to display another resource side by side. This is useful if I search the NA27, I can put the ESV or NASB beside and quickly see the English text of the verse (as my Greek is not so good).

If I perform the same search in the Apostolic Fathers (Holme's edition), I get no such option to allow me to compare another resource side by side, which is very frustrating. I am able to search in Lake's edition and get English results, but I would prefer Holme's as that is more recent. Additionally, when viewing Holme's edition in English, there is no interlinear button such as there is when viewing Lake's.

Is there a way around this to show search results for Apostolic Fathers in both Greek and English? Is that intended functionality with only being able to view the interlinear tab for Lake's edition and not Lightfoot's or Holme's?

If I understand correctly what you want to do, the answer is relatively simple. Open Holmes Greek text then open the English and link the two. Do your morph search and the English will follow. Since it's fairly obvious, I must have missed something.

Ben Martin

George, I am hoping to see multiple search results in one page at the same time. This method is possible, but requires me to open each verse in Holmes to see the English and Greek texts. It also does not allow me to compare two or more search results together at a glance, as I can do with Bible text.

fgh

I have tried this in the latest beta and it does not work. I even put Apostolic Fathers: English Translations as the highest resource in my priorities and I do not get English when I hover. Does this actually work, what am I doing wrong?

It certainly worked when I took the sceenshot! Could there be a bug in the beta? (I'm on stable.)

George Somsel

I have tried this in the latest beta and it does not work. I even put Apostolic Fathers: English Translations as the highest resource in my priorities and I do not get English when I hover. Does this actually work, what am I doing wrong?

It certainly worked when I took the sceenshot! Could there be a bug in the beta? (I'm on stable.)

I think you must be mistaken when you say that it worked when you took the screenshot. Dominick was speaking of doing a morph search. When one does a morph search what he gets in the pop-up is the text in the resource being searched regardless of what version of that work might be set as a higher priority. E.g., If I do a morph search of the verb συγχαίρω in the Apostolic Fathers (I picked this because I happened to the Martyrdom of Polycarp where the 1st word is Συνεχάρην), it will always give a text in the Greek of the Apostolic Fathers since I did a Greek morphology search. The same occurs in morphology searches of the bible. If I search for חיה in the BHS with Westminster 4.2 morphology, it will always return the verses from Westminster 4.2 in the pop-up even if I were to have an English language bible as top priority since Hebrew, specifically BHS Westminster 4.2, is what I searched. It's hard-coded into the search results.

Dave Hooton

It certainly worked when I took the sceenshot!

Was that on the Mac version, though? It does not work in Windows 4.2 SR-1.