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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 7 2009 7:52 AM

Would someone from Logos please gently, but firmly remind us that this forum is for discussing Libronix software and not for theological rambling, opining, and/or name-calling.

I'm getting sick of it. If I want to find a theological discussion forum, I'll go find one.

In the newsgroups, at least, we tried to keep ourselves on topic. Things have gotten out of hand here in several discussion threads.

Logos, if you want this forum to be a theological discussion forum, keep up the silence. If not, speak up. Please.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 7:57 AM

Richard DeRuiter:
Would someone from Logos please gently, but firmly remind us that this forum is for discussing Libronix software and not for theological rambling, opining, and/or name-calling.

Amen

Floyd

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Jim Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 8:20 AM

oops.  sorry.  newby mistake.  did not understand the focus was limited to Libronix mechanics.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:07 PM

JimDean:

oops.  sorry.  newby mistake.  did not understand the focus was limited to Libronix mechanics.

Jim, nobody expects 'newbies' to follow the expectations of veteran newsgroup users. So, no harm, no foul.

Second, we are free to discuss more than the mechanics of how to use Libronix. For example, we've had discussions on how to make the most use out of sentence diagramming for personal use, or sermon prep. The discussion on favorite commentaries (as least as far as it discusses LDLS commentaries and how we use them) is perfectly within the scope of the expectations we had in the newsgroups.

What is out of line is name calling of any kind. Period. Or ridiculing a theological position, or ecclesiastical tradition. Period. Those things are simply not Christian (Ephesians 4:29, e.g.).

But what's also beyond the purpose of the forums (unless Logos is changing its tune) is publicly debating theological problems, issues, controversies, etc. Asking for help in sorting through Libronix resources that discuss these problems, issues, and controversies (etc.) is in. Opining about these things ourselves is not.

But I may be wrong. I haven't heard Logos say anything yet about all the off-topic discussions. Maybe they're waiting for things to settle down. I hope they don't wait so long we start developing bad habits.

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Jim Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:31 PM

Thanks, Richard:

I've been "wedded" to Libronix since 2.0 ... back in the 80's I used to have a couple thousand printed books and have given almost all of them away to a Bible College and some missionaries.  So, Libronix is a big part of my life ... teaching is my primary gifting, and Libronix certainly does help "redeem the time" in preparation, making the process much more of a blessing for me, and hopefully richer for the students as well.

I've been to several of Morris' classes, and went on the Alaska Cruise (had a great time!), but previously had been frustrated by the lack of a forum.  Oops - a touchy subject these days I guess - my barrier was that I refuse to use Outlook since it is essentially a portal to viruses, and all my email, etc has for years been via Yahoo.  So, when I recently discovered a forum was in place, I was quite enthused.

Maybe you could tell me - is there a Files area somewhere that we can share our WorkSpaces and Resource Associations, etc that is part of this Forum?  I've developed a somewhat unique approach to workspace and RA organization, which I'd like to share with others in the next few weeks ... and hopefully learn some new tricks and workarounds for various nuisance-items in the current engine.

Anyways, thanks for your timely and gracious words!

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:37 PM

Rich,

Just a quick thought.  Other forums I participate in that having nothing to do with Bible software but are entirely about digital art, for example, having a list of what is permissible and what isn't permissible.  Maybe that is posted somewhere by Logos and I could be wrong on this, it might help.  For instance, on those forums, we talk art and techniques and show art work but we don't run into battles about art philosophy.  It may not be a good comparison but it is my experience with other forums.

 

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:52 PM

Jim,

I know that your "excursion" into the scientific was OT (off topic), but it was SO refreshing. My family is going to the Creation Museum's Creation College in a couple of weeks. Many of the topics you discussed will be taught there as well. I'm looking forward to any further comments you might make...offline of course.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 2:54 PM

Bill Shewmaker:
I know that your "excursion" into the scientific was OT (off topic),

Bill,

It would make your post easier to follow if you included a brief "quote" so we can determine which message you are quoting.  Your reference to "Jim" was a help, but it was not immediate clear to me which post you were addressing.

Thanks,

Floyd

 

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 3:08 PM

JoanKorte:
having a list of what is permissible and what isn't permissible

Yes, I agree with this.  It would be wise to have a set of rules.  As pointed out, some OT discussions end up quite helpful and sometimes end up connecting with the software in some way and thus can be useful.  But a set of rules that can be pointed to (not when the rules are broken necessarily, but when the rules are abused) I think would be helpful.

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Bill Shewmaker | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 3:09 PM

Floyd,

In the past, my notes have included the previous discussion, not sure why that one did not.

Bill

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Jim Dean | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 3:10 PM

Hi, Bill -

On its way to you!

Keep looking up!

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 7 2009 5:57 PM

Richard DeRuiter:
Would someone from Logos please gently, but firmly remind us that this forum is for discussing Libronix software and not for theological rambling, opining, and/or name-calling.

Please keep all discussions centered on Logos Bible Software. Thanks!

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 8 2009 11:17 AM

Phil Gons:

Please keep all discussions centered on Logos Bible Software. Thanks!

Thanks for responding, Phil. Let me ask, does Logos intend to moderate these forums and reign in some of these off topic discussions? I'm sure you'll get a bit of flack, if you do. I'm sure you'll loose people, if you don't.

May I also suggest posting a 'rules of engagement' post or statement that is available to first time users, and is easily accessible by everyone. Rules are great, but posting them so they're easily accessible is even better.

Thanks for clarifying this for us.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 8 2009 11:54 AM

Richard DeRuiter:

Phil Gons:

Please keep all discussions centered on Logos Bible Software. Thanks!

Thanks for responding, Phil. Let me ask, does Logos intend to moderate these forums and reign in some of these off topic discussions? I'm sure you'll get a bit of flack, if you do. I'm sure you'll loose people, if you don't.

May I also suggest posting a 'rules of engagement' post or statement that is available to first time users, and is easily accessible by everyone. Rules are great, but posting them so they're easily accessible is even better.

Thanks for clarifying this for us.

Richard,

I understand your frustration and appreciate your efforts to get everyone back on track. I think it may be just the new atmosphere of the forums -vs- the newsgroups. Although I posted only a few times in the newsgroups I noticed that almost all the off topic posts in the forums have been done by long time posters that were well established in the newsgroups. Now that Phil has weighed in with the simply stated "keep all discussions centered on Logos Bible Software", we can dispense with (not to be confused with dispensationalize) theological debate and personal insults. I really learn a lot reading the on topic threads. Maybe those who want to continue the colorful exchange of theological differences need a chat room rather than a forum

As the dust settles I think threads will become better focused.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 9 2009 1:57 PM

i would rather these be self policing unless they get wayyy out of control.   I do think a "chat room", or even a theological forum section would be interesting, and perhaps drive up traffic to the logos sites.  I don't like the rancor that often accompanies such discussion--and I have seen a bit of that in the short two weeks since I have discovered these forums.  But many of "us" aren't used to speaking in circles outside our own and need a healthy lesson or two on speaking with gentleness and developing peace making abilities.

Still, I am leery of strict enforcement of "on-topic" discussion, perhaps because I have my own tendency to meander a bit.  I do like tidbits I learn about and from others that are off topic, and it helps me (social butterfly that I apparently am) to connect with the users and see this as a kind of logos family, raither than simply a regimented forum.  I am unfamiliar with the particular "off-topic" occurences being referred to in this post, but in general I would like to allow for wiggle room to go a bit off topic. 

 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 9 2009 5:03 PM

Daniel DeVilder:
I am leery of strict enforcement of "on-topic" discussion, perhaps because I have my own tendency to meander a bit.

I think we can accommodate meanderers ...Smile

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2009 12:31 AM
In thinking about this, there is one good solution that has not been mentioned.

When I was building and running my own discussion forum several years back, I had an option to "Split" a thread. This way, when folks got off topic, I could simply take all the Off Topic posts, split them into a new thread, and let people post away.

Here is my suggestion then. Why not create a Forum for "Off Topic" debate and discussion. Then allow someone with the power to moderate, to split off distracting discussions and move them to the new forum.

This way everyone wins.

Folks who are annoyed, don't have to read.
The original thread is kept on topic for those who want to stay on topic.
Those who want to argue or fight can have their own new sandbox to play in :-)

Can we make that happen Logos?

Tell you what, hire me and lets get it done :-)

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2009 6:48 AM

Joe Miller:
Here is my suggestion then. Why not create a Forum for "Off Topic" debate and discussion. Then allow someone with the power to moderate, to split off distracting discussions and move them to the new forum.

It was mentioned at some point - but it is a good idea.  Thanks Joe.

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Ken Shawver | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2009 11:21 AM

I also agree that the off-topic conversations would best be served in a forum devoted to that. With that said it would be "extremely" helpful if that the conversations carried out in this forum were discussed in the "Love of Christ" instead of some of the firey darts tha thave been going on in recent weeks.

This goes for the old-timers as well. There is no excuse for brothers and sisters in Christ to be slamming others because they do not have the same theological leanings as others. God places those called by His name into the body as HE desires (1 Corinthians 12:12-26).

For too long the body of Christ has been good shooting ourselves in the foot while our real enemy sits on the sideline and enjoys the show. Let's unite and discuss things on topic with the same love, grace, and mercy our heavenly Father affords us each and everyday.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 27 2009 11:55 AM

I really dont understand this thread.  This thread is an OT discussion asking that OT discussions  be stopped.  Apparently there are some who like to discuss this topic and others who do not.  Those who do not simply ignore it.  They dont click on it nor read it. 

There is another OT discussion going on right now that some people are discussing because they want to.  And those who dont, simply dont click on it. 

I do agree that we all should discuss things in love.  But there is a learning curve...on how to carry on a discussion via a forum in love.  As well, there will always be those that refuse to follow the rules and will not discuss in love. 

We like to think that all on the forum are going to be Christ-like because it is a Christian forum.  But only true believers will be Christ like...and even true believers have to grow.  So it is a nice wish to think all can discuss things in a loving manner.  But it is not realistic.

I dont think OT discussions will ever stop.  But on the forum, there is an option...to ignore posts that you dont want to read...There are so many posts that it is being done probably by all of us..we are ignoring posts we are not interested in.

Mark

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