Sharing resources of LOGos 4 with Kindle

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 2:37 PM

Jerry Bush:
Does anyone else have a better way to do this?

I'm a PC user, but I believe the latest beta version for Mac now incorporates the Print/Export function. This allows you to choose which sections of a resource to export to a format such as a Word document. It is limited to 100 pages at a time, but you can also copy and paste further sections. It takes a while to do a whole book, but it is more controllable than highlighting text in the resource.

The Word document can then be emailed to your Kindle.

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 2:56 PM

I think it is the other way around -- it is the PC version that works, not the Mac.  

My question is, are Logos crippling the export functionality deliberately?  The Mac version is terrible in regards to non-standard menus for cut/copy/paste.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 2:58 PM

Jonathan Pitts:

Jerry Bush:
Does anyone else have a better way to do this?

I'm a PC user, but I believe the latest beta version for Mac now incorporates the Print/Export function. This allows you to choose which sections of a resource to export to a format such as a Word document. It is limited to 100 pages at a time, but you can also copy and paste further sections. It takes a while to do a whole book, but it is more controllable than highlighting text in the resource.

The Word document can then be emailed to your Kindle.

Just because we can do something does not make it legal or ethical.  Just because we can copy 100 pages in L4 does not give us the right to do so.  Each book as its own copyright statement that says something like "Except for brief quotations in critical articles or reviews, no part of this book may be reproduce in any manner without prior written permission from the publisher."

Copying pages into a word document is reproducing part of the book in a different format.

Logos has said that we can make an archival or backup copy of the program and data.  Logos has also said that we cannot modify or adapt the software or merge it into another program.

If you ask me, the L4's EULA and the copyright statements within each book makes it clear that we cannot send our data (our books) to Kindle.

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 3:16 PM

Rob:
I think it is the other way around -- it is the PC version that works, not the Mac.  

The release notes for the latest beta (http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4.2a_Beta_7) list this under "New features for Mac". To install the beta, type "Set update channel to beta" in the command box the restart the program (although you might want to search the forums for more on the beta program before you take the plunge).

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 3:41 PM

Logos does not yet have an official position on putting books on the Kindle.

We definitely do not support your distributing or re-selling the books, but we design our software around a "purchase once, use anywhere" model -- for the original purchaser. Personally, I'd like us to have an "Export to Kindle" feature built right in.

I have no idea who this will antagonize or not. Some publishers, for example, are happy to support "buy once, read anywhere," others are not. (We can't even enable some books for iPhone access because of publisher restrictions.)

So at this point, there is no official policy but your own interpretation of a complex stew of licenses / fair use / legal precedent / etc. You won't make me upset if you read it on a Kindle yourself; I would consider it inappropriate to give the content to someone else, to share licenses, to redistribute the content, etc. 

I hope we'll have better support for e-ink e-book devices in the future, and we'll probably have to adjust that support to varying (and changing) publisher opinions.

-- Bob

 

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 3:53 PM

Thanks, Bob, for clearing that up. I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong by exporting to my Kindle for my own reading use, but a lot of others on here certainly did. The Kindle is a great device for straight reading of books—even better than the iPad for simply reading, in my opinion. 

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 4:03 PM

Wow that is a great reply.  No seriously.  The Kindle is indeed a great reading device and it would be marvelous to be able to push books straight from Logos to Kindle.  It would also provide a greater incentive to buy books thru Logos than thru Amazon.

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 22 2011 4:17 PM

Thank you, Bob. It is a great help to hear the official Logos position, even if it is that there is no official Logos position. It is certainly useful to be able to read resources on the Kindle, whether by exporting or via Biblia.com.

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Jerry Bush | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 7:23 AM

Bob - thank you so much for your reply.

An "export to Kindle" feature... that makes me drool. I know it is not planned, but I will pretend that it is. Smile

Thanks again, and thanks for Logos!

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 7:35 AM

Now that I know that Logos is ok with exporting to Kindle for personal reading...I'm on "auto-drool"...

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:24 AM

Now that the permission issue has been cleared up...

After downloading the most recent release of Logos/Mac (4.2a [4.21.5.0585]), I can testify to the fact that the easiest way to convert to the Kindle is through the following steps:

 

  1. Open the title to convert.
  2. Click the panel icon in the title and choose "Print/Export."
  3. Select the "Use these sections" radio button and select the sections you want to convert.
  4. Select "Web Page (HTML)" under Export: Save as file.
  5. Select the location and give the exported file a title.
  6. Use Calibre to convert the file to .mobi (Kindle) format.
  7. Email the new converted .mobi file to your Kindle's email address.

 

A couple of notes:

(a) There was some discussion on here about a 100 page limit for exports. It seems to me that the determination of what a page is may be based more on the amount of content that could print on the page if it was printed from Logos. Peterson's The Contemplative Pastor, with all sections selected, generated 88 pages in the preview dialogue. The actual book is a bit longer than this--well over 100 pages if memory serves. 

(b) The file can be emailed either directly from Calibre or you can email it manually.

 

I hope that's a bit helpful. The above steps seems to be the quickest way to convert a text, and much shorter than copying and pasting to Word, exporting to HTML and then importing into Calibre as I described a few days ago. The above steps can be completed well within five minutes. 

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:55 AM

What about pictures?images?

What about formatting?

I'm guess you could also paste into Word and email as PDF to Amazon with "convert" in the subject line.

 

Ok, I am having a go.  Comments so far (relating to beta 7 on Mac...)

1.  This is excellent so far.  Exporting can be to PDF and PDFs can be read easily on Kindle.

2.  Exporting PDFs -- should not use A4 of letter as these are too large for the Kindle.  Use B5 or similar (yet untried by myself).

3.  There is no custom option for page size.  A Kindle option in here would be nice please Logos devs.  I think the page size for Kindle is about 91mm x 122mm.  There are lots of other page sizes but nothing suitable :-(  Choosing B6 makes a mess of the text and footnotes (they overlap) but A5 seems ok so far.

4.  The selection option tick boxes for pages or chapters seems rather oddly implemented.  Ticking a chapter should select everything under that chapter, not just the first page.  You need to select all the sections in the chapter manually which is quite painful.  I would just like to print the entire Ephesians section from the Bible Knowledge Commentary but this appears to require dozens of mouse clocks :-(

5.  PDF formatting at B5 page size is beautiful.  Very nicely done.  Now need to send to my Kindle !

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:59 AM

6.  You can determine the pages to export and select using:  "Volume 2, Pages 613–645" on the left selection pane.  That works nicely.

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 6:46 AM

Rob:

What about pictures?images?

Okay, I've been playing around with converting to Kindle's .mobi format in a way that will retain images.

In the method I described yesterday--exporting to HTML and then to .mobi (via Calibre), Logos exports the images as separate linked files in the same folder as the HTML file. Rather than seeing if Calibre would retain the links to graphics in an HTML file once it moves it to its own folders, I came up with a different solution.

I remembered that Apple's iWork Pages will now export an ePub file which can be imported into Calibre. So I played around with this using the Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary. I exported about 10 pages that included pictures to Word. Then I saved the Word file and opened it in Pages. From Pages I exported to ePub. Using Calibre, I converted the ePub file to .Mobi and emailed it to my Kindle. Works like a charm. All the images were included. 

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 7:40 AM

R. Mansfield:
I converted the ePub file to .Mobi and emailed it to my Kindle

Thanks for  sharing your experiences with those of us who have Kindle readers.  I am curious as to why if the converted file is already in .mobi format that you email it to your Kindle.  I just drag and drop files that Kindle supports via my computer and usb connection to my Kindle.  If I email it to my Kindle, then I think (and I could be wrong) I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle.  Maybe there is some advantage to emailing it to my Kindle that I don't know.

 

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 7:52 AM

Joan Korte:

Thanks for  sharing your experiences with those of us who have Kindle readers.  I am curious as to why if the converted file is already in .mobi format that you email it to your Kindle.  I just drag and drop files that Kindle supports via my computer and usb connection to my Kindle.  If I email it to my Kindle, then I think (and I could be wrong) I pay a small fee for every file I convert and email to my Kindle.  Maybe there is some advantage to emailing it to my Kindle that I don't know.

The main reason I email it to myself is that I hardly ever have the cable with me. In fact, the Kindle lasts so long on one charge, I generally have to hunt for the cable when I want to recharge it.

I have the wifi-only Kindle. From my understanding, documents received by email via wifi do not incur an extra charge from Amazon.

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Juanita | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 8:04 AM

R. Mansfield:
I have the wifi-only Kindle

I have Kindle 2 with 3G so that is the difference.  Thanks for your explanation.

 

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 8:14 AM

R. Mansfield:
I have the wifi-only Kindle.

can you answer a question for me?

When using a wifi only kindle...where does the internet signal come from? Do you have to be near a hotspot like a router in your house, or a starbucks?

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 8:40 AM

Robert Pavich:
When using a wifi only kindle...where does the internet signal come from? Do you have to be near a hotspot like a router in your house, or a starbucks?
 Robert, I don't have the kindle but yes I remember reading precisely that.  You have to be near a hotspot.

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R. Mansfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 24 2011 9:12 AM

Yes, just like a regular computer with wifi, you have to be in range of a wifi router to connect. 

It works quite well. I honestly can't imagine a scenario where the lack of 3G coverage would make any difference. It wouldn't surprise me if eventually all Kindles will be wifi-only.

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