Maps referenced by Louw Nida

Wayne L Owens
Wayne L Owens Member Posts: 70
edited November 20 in English Forum

- some of the Louw Nida definitions reference a map of which I cannot find; can anyone assist?

example: 93.389 Ἀβιληνή, ῆς f: a territory around the city of Abila, northwest of Damascus and ruled over by Lysanias—‘Abilene’ (Lk 3:1), Map 2 E-1

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  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    Peace to you, Wayne!

    If you open your Biblical Places from your tools menu, then type in Abilene and hit return, Biblical Places will take you there!

    Blessed and Happy New Year!

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  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    *smile*

    Here is a screen shot!

    Joy in the Lord!

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  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭


    - some of the Louw Nida definitions reference a map of which I cannot find; can anyone assist?

    example: 93.389 Ἀβιληνή, ῆς f: a territory around the city of Abila, northwest of Damascus and ruled over by Lysanias—‘Abilene’ (Lk 3:1), Map 2 E-1


    My apologies, Wayne!  *smile*

                Should have read your post more carefully.  I just searched and searched and searched Louw Nida, and can see your problem.  Alas, I couldn't find any maps at all.  Must be missing!

     

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  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭

    - some of the Louw Nida definitions reference a map of which I cannot find; can anyone assist?

    example: 93.389 Ἀβιληνή, ῆς f: a territory around the city of Abila, northwest of Damascus and ruled over by Lysanias—‘Abilene’ (Lk 3:1), Map 2 E-1

    I'd like to know this too.  Seem that (1) they should be a part of the resource and (2) the map references should link to them.

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  • NB.Mick
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    - some of the Louw Nida definitions reference a map of which I cannot find; can anyone assist?

    example: 93.389 Ἀβιληνή, ῆς f: a territory around the city of Abila, northwest of Damascus and ruled over by Lysanias—‘Abilene’ (Lk 3:1), Map 2 E-1

    I'd like to know this too.  Seem that (1) they should be a part of the resource and (2) the map references should link to them.

    True on both (1) and (2). Stumbled over this when I found that someone built an empty Reading List for Neapolis ( logosres:louwnida;ref=LouwNida.93.542;off=-93 ) which comes from Acts 16:11 and is supposed to be found on Map 4 D-2 in L-N.

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • LimJK
    LimJK Member Posts: 1,068 ✭✭

    Just a wild guess ... Map 2 with coordinate E 1.

    I found a Map in NETBIBLE (at the back ... Map 2 E-1) location quite close.

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    JK

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  • LimJK
    LimJK Member Posts: 1,068 ✭✭

    I looked at the various resources from the same publisher, UBS, and found this:

    Barclay Moon Newman, A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament. (Stuttgart, Germany: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft; United Bible Societies, 1993).

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    The Map 2 E-1 is the same for the same location Abilene. According to the above, Maps should be part of The Greek New Testament (UBS). However, I am unable to find any Maps behind any of the UBS text.

     

     

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  • NB.Mick
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    LimJK said:

    I looked at the various resources from the same publisher, UBS, and found this:

    Barclay Moon Newman, A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament. (Stuttgart, Germany: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft; United Bible Societies, 1993).

    (...)

    The Map 2 E-1 is the same for the same location Abilene. According to the above, Maps should be part of The Greek New Testament (UBS). However, I am unable to find any Maps behind any of the UBS text.

    But you dug up the right track to find it: my paper copy of NA27 (which includes a German edition of Barclay-Newman by R. Kassuehlke) makes roughly the same references, has maps in the front and back and there I found Abilene in the second map in sector E-2 as well as Neapolis in the fourth map in sector D-2. 

    Nevertheless we should have these in Logos and linked in the respective resources (or, if there is a problem securing the rights to the maps, linked to another appropriate map with same sectors or a sector translation)

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  • LimJK
    LimJK Member Posts: 1,068 ✭✭

    my paper copy of NA27 (which includes a German edition of Barclay-Newman by R. Kassuehlke) makes roughly the same references, has maps in the front and back 

    [Y] I do not have paper copy, thanks for confirming, if some one has the UBS paper copy can confirm if maps are included.

    ... hope to see the maps included somewhere in our Library and hyperlink done some point down the road [:)]

    JK

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    LimJK said:

    if some one has the UBS paper copy can confirm if maps are included.

    Confirmed in UBS3.

    So, are these maps missing in both the mutilated base package Bibles and the more complete SESB versions with the apparatus?

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  • NB.Mick
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    fgh said:

    LimJK said:

    if some one has the UBS paper copy can confirm if maps are included.

    Confirmed in UBS3.

    So, are these maps missing in both the mutilated base package Bibles and the more complete SESB versions with the apparatus?

    They are missing everywhere - the SESB even contains the Kassuehlke lexicon I referred to above, including reference to the maps, but they are nowhere.

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    Actually these are the same four maps that are on the internal pages of front and back cover of my very first "real" paper bible, Luther edition 1956/64.

    Of course they don't match the functionality of an atlas, but in my opinion they are of better quality than the nine maps in http://www.logos.com/product/1205/nelsons-bible-map-collection (which Nelson took from http://www.logos.com/product/1208/nelsons-new-illustrated-bible-dictionary , but at least the product page tells us so). 

    Since a number of resources purport to contain these maps, they should be available. I assume that when the various bibles and lexicons where produced, nobody cared to secure the licence or images to reproduce the maps - again: as they were part of the printed books, they should be available or the links redirected to another map resource.  

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