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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jan 16 2011 7:50 AM | Locked

I've just discovered the article citation feature (although it looks like it's been around a long time). Wonderful - at least for the tiny number of resources that have the feature. So, three questions:

  • Why have we never discussed this before!?
  • Which resources are supported? (I've only found the Expositor's Bible Commentary and Who's Who in Christian History?)
  • Are there plans to update other resources with this tagging?

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 16 2011 2:40 PM | Locked

Let's hope it is done by exception, then ie. Mr Allen contributed a single article whilst the others are covered by the main Citation.and et al!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 16 2011 3:51 PM | Locked

Dave Hooton:
Let's hope it is done by exception, then ie. Mr Allen contributed a single article whilst the others are covered by the main Citation.and et al!

As you move through the resource, the article citation changes, according to who contributed the section you are reading.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 16 2011 4:49 PM | Locked

Mark Barnes:
As you move through the resource, the article citation changes, according to who contributed the section you are reading.

NAC citation covers the author(s) of the particular Volume. In other resources you get the author's acronym appended to the article. In some you get a big list of contributors up front with/without specific attribution ... This scheme would better recognise contributors, especially if it is printed with the regular citation!?

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 16 2011 4:52 PM | Locked

Mark Barnes:

As you move through the resource, the article citation changes, according to who contributed the section you are reading.

 

I have to confess I am not aware of the Citation feature you are talking about! Can someone elaborate with a screen shot? Thanks!

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 17 2011 1:48 AM | Locked

Dominick Sela:
Can someone elaborate with a screen shot?

The screenshot from the first post shows the information panel of a resource. You'll see that article citation as well as the regular citation is included in that particular resource.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 10:07 AM | Locked

Yeehaw! Bradley says this is going to be done for all resources that specify article authors: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1461319-better-citations-for-articles-chapters-from-mult?ref=title. I presume this also means journal articles, and I hope it also means monographs with different authors for each chapter.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 10:30 AM | Locked

Mark Barnes:

  • Which resources are supported? (I've only found the Expositor's Bible Commentary and Who's Who in Christian History?)
  • Are there plans to update other resources with this tagging?
  • Text Development started adding this data to new resources where individual articles have different authors sometime last year, and it is part of the updating being done to old resources (where it's called for).

    Rosie Perera:
    I presume this also means journal articles, and I hope it also means monographs with different authors for each chapter.

    Yes to both.

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 10:38 AM | Locked

    Louis St. Hilaire:

    Rosie Perera:
    I presume this also means journal articles, and I hope it also means monographs with different authors for each chapter.

    Yes to both.

    Yay!!!

    I bet Bob and his small company had no idea what long-term maintenance of resources they were taking on back when they first acquired the publishing rights to some of these old resources that have been in Logos's catalog for years. Makes me appreciate the resource prices more, knowing this.

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    Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 7 2011 7:39 PM | Locked

    Rosie Perera:

    Yeehaw! Bradley says this is going to be done for all resources that specify article authors: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1461319-better-citations-for-articles-chapters-from-mult?ref=title

    I changed the tense in my response. What I meant was that the support for these citations in the software has (already) been added, but it depends on tagging in the resources (which will come at a different time). I was not making a promise that all resources that have articles by different authors will be updated.

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    DrGregWaddell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 31 2011 8:44 PM | Locked

    Could you please explain how to get to this "article citation" feature that you speak of? I can't find it.

    Thanks

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    Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 31 2011 10:47 PM | Locked

    It comes from Resource Information  (the circled i icon in an open resource). If the resource has been tagged and has articles by differing authors the appropriate article citation will be shown.

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 31 2011 10:50 PM | Locked

    Gregory S. Waddell:
    Could you please explain how to get to this "article citation" feature that you speak of? I can't find it.

    If you copy text from a resource that has been tagged at the article level (which the Expositor's Bible Commentary has, some of the Encyclopedias, and probably most of the Journals), then paste it into Word or another word-processor (with Copy Footnotes turned on in Logos Program Settings), then the citation that shows up in the footnote will be of the article, rather than the whole book that the selection was copied out of. Try it, and you'll see.

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    Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 3 2011 12:11 PM | Locked

    Rosie Perera:
    If you copy text from a resource that has been tagged at the article level (which the Expositor's Bible Commentary has, some of the Encyclopedias, and probably most of the Journals), then paste it into Word or another word-processor (with Copy Footnotes turned on in Logos Program Settings), then the citation that shows up in the footnote will be of the article, rather than the whole book that the selection was copied out of. Try it, and you'll see.

    Rosie,

    I got tired of the legion of Scripture footnotes in my Word docs so I turned this feature off. Sometimes I am trying to squeeze as much info as possible on front-back of one page, so this feature - great as it is - in this instance is counter-productive. bUT ... now I see that with thsi turned off, I cannot get more specific info on the citation. What to do ... what to do. Maybe I will turn ON the feature and just manually condense or delete anything that might be extraneous.

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    Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Apr 3 2011 2:21 PM | Locked

    Ron Corbett:
    I got tired of the legion of Scripture footnotes in my Word docs so I turned this feature off. Sometimes I am trying to squeeze as much info as possible on front-back of one page, so this feature - great as it is - in this instance is counter-productive. bUT ... now I see that with thsi turned off, I cannot get more specific info on the citation. What to do ... what to do. Maybe I will turn ON the feature and just manually condense or delete anything that might be extraneous.

    You could leave the feature turned on, and then for copying Scripture, you could use Copy Bible Verses with a CBV style that turns off footnote copying (any style with the global formatting flag %NoFootnotes included in the style definition; create your own if necessary). Then when you copy other things like text from books or articles, where you'd want a proper citation, you'll have it.

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    Ron Corbett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 4 2011 7:29 AM | Locked

    Thanks Rosie,

    I went in to the CBV tool and made the change. This should work better for me.

     

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    DrGregWaddell | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Apr 4 2011 9:56 PM | Locked

    I know this is true as I have tried it with Journals. The problem is that it never copies all the information needed for a citation. For example, it leaves out the article author! That's kind of important I would think. Here is what happened when I copied a paragraph from one of the journals:

    Some mean by ecumenicalism that we must get every Christian to unite with every other Christian, or every church to unite with every other church in one great organization. Some of us do not share that view. What is profoundly needed, however, is for the Church to have what Paul wrote about to the Ephesian church (Eph. 4): “The unity of the Spirit.” Union is one thing; unity another.

    , vol. 1, Ashland Theological Journal Volume 1 (Ashland, OH: Ashland Theological Seminary, 1968), 15.

    Note that there is no mention of the author.

    My issue came up however in reading Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica. I'm trying to read through it and occasionally I want to save a quote or send a quote to a friend. When I copy a passage from that work, here's what happens:

    The relation between a science and its object is the same as that between a habit or faculty and its object.

    Saint Thomas Aquinas and Fathers of the English Dominican Province, Summa Theologica, Complete English ed. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009).

    At least I get the author this time, but no reference to the book, section, etc.

     

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    Pat Whittemore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 11:49 AM | Locked

    Please help.  I'm SO FRUSTRATED with this program, but want to use it.   I am reading a book in Logos and highlighting text, then copying it to Word.   It is filling up the pages in word with footnotes which are all the SAME because the copied text is all from the same book.   I can't delete the footnotes from Word.  Pretty soon the whole page will be footnotes and there won't be room for anymore text.   I read in the forum about changing "settings" but don't know where to do that, either.   I'm a total newbie to Logos and not proficient with forums, either, so don't even know how to get your answer.  I guess I'll go to forums, type in "footnotes" and hope I can find your answer.  THANKS.

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    Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 12:03 PM | Locked

    These screen shots may help

     

    In addition, you may want to review this wiki page http://wiki.logos.com/Program_Settings

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    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 2 2012 12:12 PM | Locked

    Pat Whittemore:

    Please help.  I'm SO FRUSTRATED with this program, but want to use it.   I am reading a book in Logos and highlighting text, then copying it to Word.   It is filling up the pages in word with footnotes which are all the SAME because the copied text is all from the same book.   I can't delete the footnotes from Word.  Pretty soon the whole page will be footnotes and there won't be room for anymore text.   I read in the forum about changing "settings" but don't know where to do that, either.   I'm a total newbie to Logos and not proficient with forums, either, so don't even know how to get your answer.  I guess I'll go to forums, type in "footnotes" and hope I can find your answer.  THANKS.

    Welcome Big Smile

    In Word, wonder about highlighting footnote # (after the pasted text), then delete footnote # ?

    For learning Logos, wiki has => Getting Started with Logos with many Tips and links, which include excellent unofficial tutorial videos.

    For using the forums, wiki has => Using the Forums

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