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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jan 18 2011 8:25 PM | Locked

What variables does this feature use to pull Illustrations? Right now, it seems as though it is only pulling from my Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations resources.

Are there others? What tags or criteria does it use to pull these?

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2011 8:37 PM | Locked

Tom C:

What variables does this feature use to pull Illustrations? Right now, it seems as though it is only pulling from my Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations resources.

Are there others? What tags or criteria does it use to pull these?

I just downloaded and installed the latest Beta and my index is rebuilding right now so I have not tested this feature. Is your indexing complete? If not I imagine this is affecting the behavior. If that is not the case, what happens if prioritze your illustration resources.

I am just guessing right now because (like I said) I have not even tested this yet because of indexing.

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Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2011 9:27 PM | Locked

I think (but I could be wrong) that it's currently pulling from Illustrations resources (a combination of a library filter and a hard-coded list) that have the "heading" field. At the moment, this may only be the Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations resource, but additional resources should be updated with the heading field during the beta.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2011 9:36 PM | Locked

My log file gives this info about which resources it's looking for:

2011-01-18 23:33:55.1093    4    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: subject:"Homiletical Illustrations" OR subject:"Anecdotes" OR subject:"Sermones--Ilustraciones" OR title:"Sermon Illustrations"

 

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Blair Laird | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 18 2011 10:15 PM | Locked

New illustration section looks great.. Now I just need more illustration books Wink.. It would also be cool if it could link to sites that focus on illustrations.. Just a thought :)

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T Gerold Castle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 6:09 AM | Locked

Yes, this was after indexing was complete.

Thanks everyone.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:09 AM | Locked

I have played with this and can confirm that only illustrations from the resource "Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations" are returned by this feature. I have 5 or 6 other illustration resources that are not recognized. I tried prioritizing them and that did not help.

Another issue I see is that in the list (you can view the screen shot below) the logos resource ID is returned rather than the name of the resource.

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Jannie van Niekerk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:25 AM | Locked

Fred Chapman:
I have 5 or 6 other illustration resources that are not recognized.

Fred, could you give me the support info for those?

Thanks!

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:27 AM | Locked

I agree that it is just matching against "Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations" although I have four resources which match the string suggested by Todd above:

Todd Phillips:
2011-01-18 23:33:55.1093    4    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: subject:"Homiletical Illustrations"OR subject:"Anecdotes" OR subject:"Sermones--Ilustraciones" OR title:"Sermon Illustrations"

But I would also like to understand more details of the matching algorithm.

I have an "Illustrations" collection included in my PG and this finds illustrations which have reference to the passage I am searching.

But the new category seems to work differently.

I tried John 11:35 and got:

So even in the one matching resource they end up with different results - hence my interest in the algorithm.

Any thoughts / perspectives on this would be appreciated.

Graham

 

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:35 AM | Locked

Fred Chapman:
Another issue I see is that in the list (you can view the screen shot below) the logos resource ID is returned rather than the name of the resource.

I hope that this will be changed. Once a number of these resources are tagged, I'd want to see the title as I have some favorites.

I can also see a potential problem with how Logos tries to identify these resources. When I use the search string Todd listed it gives me 14 resources which I have in my own Illustrations and Quotations Collection. I actually have 22 resources in my collection, of which 3 are books of quotations. Eliminating these I have 5 books of illustrations Logos would miss:

AMG Bible Illustrations, My Favorite Illustrations, Speaker's Sourcebook of New Illustrations, The Tale of the Tardy Oxcart, and Nelson's Annual Preacher's Sourcebook, 2005 Edition (the Logos search gets the others but not this one).

My search string is Title:(Illustrations, quotations,"Preacher's Sourcebook",Tardy). This would add in the 3 books of quotations but I'd like to see those included in a search for illustrations. I have to manually edit out Old Testament Quotations and Illusions in the New Testament, and two volumes of Philo and Holy Scripture (caught by the 'quotations' search).

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Melissa Snyder | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:39 AM | Locked

Mark A. Smith:

I hope that this will be changed. Once a number of these resources are tagged, I'd want to see the title as I have some favorites.

This will change. The Illustrations section is in a beta stage, still in development.

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 7:39 AM | Locked

Graham Criddle:

I have an "Illustrations" collection included in my PG and this finds illustrations which have reference to the passage I am searching.

But the new category seems to work differently.

This is also in the logs:

2011-01-19 09:28:53.3437    5    Info    IllustrationsSection    118 in LLS:23.0.2
2011-01-19 09:28:53.9531    5    Info    IllustrationsSection    67 in LLS:23.0.3
2011-01-19 09:28:54.0625    5    Info    IllustrationsSection    18 in LLS:23.0.4
2011-01-19 09:28:54.1718    5    Info    IllustrationsSection    68 in LLS:23.0.6

Those are all topical bibles.  This is followed by a list of headwords,

2011-01-19 09:28:54.7031    5    Info    IllustrationsSection    Headwords: Abide
Adultery, Instances of
Apostles
Baptism, Christian
...

and then this line which I posted previously"

2011-01-18 23:33:55.1093    4    Info    LibraryCatalogIndex    Searching for all records matching: subject:"Homiletical Illustrations" OR subject:"Anecdotes" OR subject:"Sermones--Ilustraciones" OR title:"Sermon Illustrations"

 

It looks like they are generating a list of topical headwords by searching for the passage in the topical bibles, and then using those topics to search the Illustrations resources, rather than searching the illustration resources for the passage.  Which makes sense, because the Illustrations resources don't have many scripture references.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:08 AM | Locked

What if in addition to any Illustration resources and algorithm Logos decides on for this feature, if the algorithm used to determine resources to search also checked for the existence of Mytag;"Illustrations" or mytag:"My Illustrations", and used that to find resources? That way any user can add whatever resources they want to be used in this section of the Passage Guide?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:13 AM | Locked

Todd Phillips:
It looks like they are generating a list of topical headwords by searching for the passage in the topical bibles, and then using those topics to search the Illustrations resources, rather than searching the illustration resources for the passage.

Good detective work, Todd. Now if Logos would create a database with the information from all topical Bibles on all possible subjects they wouldn't have to take so long generating this part of the report (which is very slow). That would probably be a big database, but it certainly could speed things up. It would also be usable for the Topic section of the PG (have you discovered how they find these, Todd?).

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:15 AM | Locked

Dominick Sela:
What if in addition to any Illustration resources and algorithm Logos decides on for this feature, if the algorithm used to determine resources to search also checked for the existence of Mytag;"Illustrations" or mytag:"My Illustrations", and used that to find resources?

I think that is a great suggestion. If you read my suggestion above aimed at reducing the time it takes to generate this section of the report, your suggestion would work if Logos created a local index for topical searching taking the Mytags into account.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:26 AM | Locked

I too am not getting any hits in the new illustrations part of the PG.  Here is a screen print of the PG that has new illustrations portion along with the collection that I have setup for my illustrations:

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:33 AM | Locked

tom collinge:
I too am not getting any hits in the new illustrations part of the PG.  

Do you have Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations in your library?  That seems to be a requirement as it is right now.

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:34 AM | Locked

Hi Jannie,

My system is still indexing & it'd take longer than I have to run MPG. So I've exported the list of books in my Illustrations collection. These are the books in Platinum that I'd expect to be recognized:

Illustrations

1000 Illustrations for Preaching & Teaching

Jones, G. Curtis. 1000 Illustrations for Preaching and Teaching. Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1986.

AMG Bible Illustrations

AMG Bible Illustrations

. electronic ed. Logos Library System; Bible Illustrations Series. Chattanooga: AMG Publishers, 2000.

Anecdotes and Illustrations

Torrey, R. A. Anecdotes and Illustrations. New York: Fleming H. Revell Co., 1907.

Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations

Tan, Paul Lee. Encyclopedia of 7700 Illustrations: Signs of the Times. Garland, TX: Bible Communications, Inc., 1996.

Illustrations for Biblical Preaching

Green, Michael P. Illustrations for Biblical Preaching : Over 1500 Sermon Illustrations Arranged by Topic and Indexed Exhaustively. Revised edition of: The expositor's illustration file. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1989.

More Real Stories for the Soul

More Real Stories for the Soul

. electronic ed. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2000.

My Favorite Illustrations

Hobbs, Herschel H. My Favorite Illustrations. Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1990.

Nelson's Complete Book of Stories, Illustrations & Quotes

Morgan, Robert J. Nelson's Complete Book of Stories, Illustrations, and Quotes. electronic ed. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2000.

Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament

Philipps, H. David. Old Testament Quotes in the New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009.

Real Stories for the Soul

Morgan, Robert J. Real Stories for the Soul. electronic ed. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2000.

The Speaker's Quote Book

Zuck, Roy B. The Speaker's Quote Book : Over 4,500 Illustrations and Quotations for All Occasions. Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1997.

Speaker's Sourcebook of New Illustrations

Hurley, Virgil. Speaker's Sourcebook of New Illustrations. electronic ed. Dallas: Word Publishers, 2000.


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Jannie van Niekerk | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:40 AM | Locked

BillS:

1000 Illustrations for Preaching & Teaching

Jones, G. Curtis. 1000 Illustrations for Preaching and Teaching. Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1986.

Thanks Bill. Could you give me the support info for the resource above? (Press the "i" button top right for the resource; at the bottom is the info I want)

 

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Levi D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 19 2011 8:54 AM | Locked

One illustration source that I would add to Bill's list is 10,000 Sermon Illustrations. The support info is:

LLS:22.0.1026

2008-10-02T13:39:15Z

GS_ILLUS.lbxlls

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