New System

that should run Logos 4 just fine... here's the PC I'm getting ready to buy in the coming days

http://bit.ly/hFf47X - HP Pavilion dv7-4290us

I think it will COOK.

It'll run fine, but I would get more RAM if you like to open apps or lots of resources. 4G is basic for L4. You could be using more. If you have other apps open, you'll be at 8G before long. 

It'll run fine, but I would get more RAM if you like to open apps or lots of resources. 4G is basic for L4. You could be using more. If you have other apps open, you'll be at 8G before long. 

The above configuration (from the OP) shows 8GB of RAM.Or were you looking at a different configuration.

BTW, I have 6GB on my system, have Logos4 open (with 24 tabs), Firefox, Thunderbird, WordPerfect, and SongShow Plus, 11 icons in my systray, and am still using less than 3GB of RAM. Even when running a search of my entire Library for "God" Resource monitor didn't show more than a few more K being used (maybe up to 3GB).

I'm planning to buy a new system in the next few weeks and want something that will really run L4 well. Here are the specs on a system I put together on Dell's website: What do you IT gurus think?

PROCESSORS	Intel® Core™ i7-2600 processor(8MB Cache, 3.4GHz)	edit
OPERATING SYSTEM	Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English	edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE	Microsoft® Office Starter 2010	edit
SERVICE PLAN	2Year Basic Service Plan	edit
MONITOR	Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only	edit
VIDEO CARD	ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5	edit
MEMORY	8GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs	edit
HARD DRIVE	1.5TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200 RPM, 32MB Cache HDD	edit

Are you trying to show off or something? LOL...I only have 320GB on my HD and 4GB on my RAM and I'm able to run L4 just fine.  In the future I will try to get a bigger HD with bigger RAM capacity, but for now what I have helps me show off my library...lol...I think I might have a convert and he'll probably buy.  So I'll keep my fingers crossed so I can get a "referral certificate."

Blessings!

Douglas

It'll do. I'm satisfied with my i5 (below) for L4!

I'm planning to buy a new system in the next few weeks and want something that will really run L4 well. Here are the specs on a system I put together on Dell's website: What do you IT gurus think?

I think this system will suffice for years to come Danny. All of the tech journals are raving about the new Sandy Bridge CPU's. The performace eclipses the previous generaton Clarkdale and Lynfield familes and the bang for the buck is incredible. You might go for 16 GB of RAM. RAM prices are rock bottom right now but the predicted trend is they will go up over the next few months. So it will most likely cost you more to upgrade RAM down the road. Also, how about an SSD?

Good luck!

Bob

It'll run fine, but I would get more RAM if you like to open apps or lots of resources. 4G is basic for L4. You could be using more. If you have other apps open, you'll be at 8G before long. 

As we can read such statements over and over again here in the forums, it should be put straight from time to time that this is simply a fairy tale (sorry, nothing personal [:)]), at least concerning Windows systems. I run Logos 4 on Windows 7 with 2G RAM (mostly with some other applications opened like Microsoft Word and Outlook 2007, Firefox etc.), and it runs just fine. 4G RAM would be better, no doubt here - but 8G RAM is simply a waste of money. You can check this in Windows Task Manager: Run an advanced search and check the amount of RAM Logos is using. CPU is much more important.

As we can read such statements over and over again here in the forums, it should be put straight from time to time that this is simply a fairy tale (sorry, nothing personal ), at least concerning Windows systems. I run Logos 4 on Windows 7 with 2G RAM (mostly with some other applications opened like Microsoft Word and Outlook 2007, Firefox etc.), and it runs just fine. 4G RAM would be better, no doubt here - but 8G RAM is simply a waste of money. You can check this in Windows Task Manager: Run an advanced search and check the amount of RAM Logos is using. CPU is much more important.

Applying that reasoning I could say that a 1.5 TB drive is a waste of money since most of us don't even fill 500 GB. While you are correct if all one runs is Logos and some basic Microsoft apps as they currently are today, what about next year or the year after? Applications and memory requirements change faster than car models. Suppose I want to rip some audio cds at the same time I am running Logos, IE, Powerpoint, Word and Outlook all while downloading some massive image file? How about if I want to set up a ramdisk and run Logos from that? And given that RAM is currently at rock bottom prices, investing in additional RAM is pretty much a no brainer especially when somebody is buying a new system.

Bob,

As great as more RAM sounds, and, BTW, the SSD would be fantastic, I'm afraid I'm maxed out budgetwise. Not to mention the need to maintain my marriage.

Thanks so much for your input.

Danny

I'm planning to buy a new system in the next few weeks and want something that will really run L4 well. Here are the specs on a system I put together on Dell's website: What do you IT gurus think?

PROCESSORS	Intel® Core™ i7-2600 processor(8MB Cache, 3.4GHz)	edit
OPERATING SYSTEM	Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English	edit
OFFICE SOFTWARE	Microsoft® Office Starter 2010	edit
SERVICE PLAN	2Year Basic Service Plan	edit
MONITOR	Dell ST2420L 24"W Full HD Monitor, 24.0 VIS, VGA Cable supplied only	edit
VIDEO CARD	ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5	edit
MEMORY	8GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz - 4 DIMMs	edit
HARD DRIVE	1.5TB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200 RPM, 32MB Cache HDD	edit

 

Are you trying to show off or something? LOL...I only have 320GB on my HD and 4GB on my RAM and I'm able to run L4 just fine.  In the future I will try to get a bigger HD with bigger RAM capacity, but for now what I have helps me show off my library...lol...I think I might have a convert and he'll probably buy.  So I'll keep my fingers crossed so I can get a "referral certificate."

Blessings!

Douglas

No, dude. It's just that when I buy a new system, I try to anticipate my needs for as far into the future as possible. And I get really impatient with slow systems.

I think it will COOK.

Sounds good, Steve. Thanks!

db

My thoughts on RAM are based on the fact that we are already dealing with a 64-bit OS. Even if L4 is still 32bit, computing is no longer locked into that. I thought 2G was a lot just two years ago when XP still reigned. We don't want L4 to run, we want it to roar. 

Suppose I want to rip some audio cds at the same time I am running Logos, IE, Powerpoint, Word and Outlook all while downloading some massive image file?

Well, I suppose you then are just too destracted to study the Bible properly ... [;)]

You might be right that it makes sense to plan for the future when it comes to buying a new system, though I seriously doubt that 8G of RAM will do any good in, let's say, five years: by then, applications demanding such an amount of RAM will demand CPUs thrice as capable as an i7 is today, so that would mean you'd have to buy a new CPU as well, supposable coming along with a new motherboard as well - and that would make buying a new laptop far more economical. However, my answer was particularly applying to your claim that 4G of RAM were basic for running Logos 4, which isn't the case as for now.

Blessings!

Bob,

Concerning the purchase of a new desktop computer (I first didn't notice this is the case here), I agree that going as high-end as possible makes sense, since expanding it is a lot easier.

My thoughts on RAM are based on the fact that we are already dealing with a 64-bit OS. Even if L4 is still 32bit, computing is no longer locked into that. I thought 2G was a lot just two years ago when XP still reigned. We don't want L4 to run, we want it to roar. 

Just do a test run with a really advanced search in Logos 4 with Windows 7 64-bit and 8G. I bet you won't notice any difference from doing the same search with only 4G.

Well, I suppose you then are just too destracted to study the Bible properly ...

You might be right that it makes sense to plan for the future when it comes to buying a new system, though I seriously doubt that 8G of RAM will do any good in, let's say, five years: by then, applications demanding such an amount of RAM will demand CPUs thrice as capable as an i7 is today, so that would mean you'd have to buy a new CPU as well, supposable coming along with a new motherboard as well - and that would make buying a new laptop far more economical. However, my answer was particularly applying to your claim that 4G of RAM were basic for running Logos 4, which isn't the case as for now.

Blessings!

When I study the Bible, I study the Bible and my attention is focused on the Word and prayer. But I perfom numerous tasks each week that require me to have Logos 4, IE, Word, Powerpoint, and Outlook all open simultaneously. And there are times that I rip new cd's that I have purchased to my music library on my hard drive while working. And I also at occasionally download files at the same time. So I don't need to run extensive searches in Logos 4 to know whether or not I benefit from the extra memory in the manner that I use my system on a daily basis. I have my personal experience to tell me that. Will Logos 4 run with only 2 GB? Sure, but when I doubled my memory from 2 GB to 4 GB I most definitely saw significant improvements in performance. And I have no doubt when I up it to 8 GB I will see further gains.

 As far as future demands for higher amounts of memory making upgrade of the CPU and motherboard necessary, I suppose that is possible. But consider this - I am using a motherboard with a socket that was released almost five years ago. It originally had 512 Meg of memory and a Pentium 4. I have upgraded the CPU and the memory three times. And with each upgrade I saw nice increases in performance. And it meets all of the increased demands for memory and horsepower over five years ago when I first bought it.

Also, the system in question that started this thread had 8 GB of RAM and I suggested to Danny that while RAM prices are at a low he up it to 16 GB. I never made the claim that 4 GB is basic for Logos 4. But that doesn't mean he won't benefit from the additional memory especially if he does any serious multitasking.

Bob,

Sorry, I confused you with Michael - it was him stating that 4G of RAM were basic. My apologies! [:)]

I think we agree on most parts - I was referring to Logos 4 as it is now and will be for the next two or three years. I bet there won't be any difference in performance whether you have 4G or 8G, even if you run several Microsoft Office programs, rip CDs etc. - if you look in Windows Task Manager, you will see that even the most advanced searches in Logos never require more than 1G max, and that's an already quite generous rating (actually I've never had a RAM usage of Logos 4 higher than 700MB). So, if you want to make sure you can run Logos 7 in ten years, 16G might be advisable. But if you want to run Logos 4 for the next two or three years I would say 4G will be really satisfying, 8G will be far more than enough.

While everyone should be free to upgrade ones system as one pleases, I just wanted to make sure there aren't people out there being discouraged as to using Logos 4 because they think they won't be able to run it properly without spending thousands of bucks for hardware.

Blessings!

8Gb vs. 4Gb

I upgraded from 4 to 8Gb of RAM two weeks ago. My results are anecdotal, but L4 seems much faster, especially after my first search or passage guide population. Could this be due to less swap file activity? Or perhaps more resources for video shared memory? My graphics card has 512Mb RAM on-board, but also uses shared memory.

I also wonder if this discussion should be moved to a new thread.... 

Steve,

That would mean that your system is frequently requiring more RAM than the 4G and thus is in permanent need of the swap file. Though I can't rule that out, it sounds rather unlikely to me: even with some Microsoft Office programs and a browser open and, lets say, some moderate video rendering running, 4G often are sufficient. However, it's good to hear your satisfied with your system and L4 - I guess that's what's essential! [:)]

I've no doubt that you are seeing improved performance with the upgrade. It may be partly due to less swap file activity but it's hard to say for sure. How much improvement is very subjective as you have probably ascertained from the discussion here. A lot of it is also dependent on the motherboard and CPU, thus memory upgrade results will differ from system to sytem. My office system only has a Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz CPU so when I upgraded ithe memory on it my results were not nearly as impressive as when I upgraded my home system which has a Core 2 Duo E8400 that runs at 3.5 Ghz.  The bottom line is that if you are pleased with the results then that is what matters regardless of what anybody on this forum has to say about it.

Blessings,

Bob

Oh, no! It's the placebo effect! 

Good word, Steve! HA!

Oh, no! It's the placebo effect! 

ROTFL! Too funny Steve.

Your Novabench scores before and after are typical and don't surprise me.