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Henry Finkle | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:17 PM

I've got a question here regarding "my tags".

If I have a group of resources tagged with multiple descriptions (tags), is there a way to delete a certain description from a group without clearing all the other tags that I've created???

Example:

I've got about 30 resources tagged with: biblical studies, academic, hebrew texts. (3 tags total)

Suppose I want to remove the tag "hebrew texts" from all these resources but keep the other tags. How can I accomplish this?

I've tried selecting all the resources and then the option "clear tags". That seems to remove all the other tags as well. I just want to remove one tag from a group of resources.

The only other way I found around this problem was to individually delete that tag one by one, which takes too much time.

Anyone have a clue to do it faster?

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 28 2011 6:21 PM

No, you can't, so I will once again take the opportunity to champion for a My Tag Manager. Until that happens, My Tags are way to difficult to manage to meet a fraction of their potential.

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 28 2011 7:29 PM

If all 30 resources have the same 3 tags and you just want to delete one of them, the easiest way would be to select all 30 resources, clear all the tags and retype the two tags you want to keep.  This will only work if you want all the resources you select to have the same tags.

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 28 2011 8:20 PM

This issue is on Uservoice. http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/564609-provide-management-of-mytags?ref=title

My votes are tied up elsewhere but this is a needed improvement in the program.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 28 2011 10:16 PM

Kevin Becker:

This issue is on Uservoice. http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/564609-provide-management-of-mytags?ref=title

My votes are tied up elsewhere but this is a needed improvement in the program.

I just sacrificed a vote from something else for this. We need more than 10 votes. This is nuts. I keep playing musical chairs with my votes. And some of my pet features are being left without a seat.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 6:44 AM

Rosie Perera:
I just sacrificed a vote from something else for this. We need more than 10 votes. This is nuts. I keep playing musical chairs with my votes. And some of my pet features are being left without a seat.

I agree and yet.... at least it accurately reflects the resources that Logos can put towards any number of projects.

My angst would be satisfied if I could Que up some votes: i.e. place the first ten and then assign votes to automatically drift to the remaining list as the ones on top were completed.

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Paul D. Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 8:42 AM

I just put 3 votes down ... this is important.

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Richard Wardman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 29 2011 9:03 AM

I had a spare vote, so added it to this.  Even though I've not yet entirely mastered/ understood MyTags!

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 2 2011 7:30 AM

I just moved 3 of my votes.  It has now made it up to the second page.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 2 2011 8:25 PM

Rosie Perera:

I just sacrificed a vote from something else for this. We need more than 10 votes. This is nuts. I keep playing musical chairs with my votes. And some of my pet features are being left without a seat.

Maybe we need more of the 40,000 posters to vote?  [[hint, hint, need a new thread on user voice]]

Maybe we need ranked voting? [where you vote for your top 10. Your first place gets 10 points, second 9 etc]

Maybe once Logos accepts all the votes are released?

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 1:58 PM

Philip Spitzer:
I will once again take the opportunity to champion for a My Tag Manager. Until that happens, My Tags are way to difficult to manage to meet a fraction of their potential.

AMEN and +1 Yes

At Logos Camp 2 tagging is promoted as the best way to organized your library. I have been at work three full day and evenings on that project. Yes, a myTags management tool is need. It should also, if possible, include the ability for each user to make and maintain his own Controlled Vocabulary (as an option) so that we do not have typos in our tags.

I took the suggested tags from Camp 2 and used them as a base for starting to work on my controlled vocabulary. Here is the present, very, very unfinished state. I would welcome any comments. 8004.Fenby Controlled Vocabulary for Logos Tagging.docx

P.S If you want to see what a mess you get if you do not have a controlled vocabulary look at the list of tags available for this forum. No wonder almost no one tags their posts.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 5:25 PM

Frank Fenby:

I took the suggested tags from Camp 2 and used them as a base for starting to work on my controlled vocabulary. Here is the present, very, very unfinished state. I would welcome any comments. 8004.Fenby Controlled Vocabulary for Logos Tagging.docx

Frank, I really like the principles from your controlled vocabulary document. I've taken the liberty of copying them I'd like to request that you copy them out of that document and paste them here so they can be found again later by a Google search of the forums. I will find them handy to recommend to others!

EDIT: Removed the copied principles, so Frank can copy/paste them himself. I don't ever want to be mistakenly cited as the source of them in the future.

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 6:27 PM

Rosie Perera:
I don't ever want to be mistakenly cited as the source of them in the future

Rosie, as long as God gets the glory, I do not care who gets the credit. I am glad you like them and hope others find them helpful. Some of these came from spending time reading Internet articles on controlled vocabularies. The others from trying it and making mistakes. Here is the first draft of my own principles for a controlled vocabulary (CV) for tagging Logos resources. Others may need different guidelines.

Principles:

1.       A few tags with a lot of entries are better than a lot of sparse tags. If a tag gets too large then go back and divided it as illustrated below. The fewer the tags the better. Resist the urge to add new tags to the controlled vocabulary (CV)!

2.       Do not use tags for groupings that are simple selection of a library field. For example type:…, author:…, rating:…,languages:…, publisher:…, series:… . You may need to build a collection of these for use in some tools such as the commentary section of a passage guide. (Bible Harmonies is an example.)

3.       Most books should have at least one tag.

4.       Feel free to add many tags to any one book. (Just remember how hard it is to remove a single tag from a group of books with multiple tags.) This overlap is one of the advantages of tagging over the older classification systems such as Dewey Decimal numbers and LOC call numbers.

5.       Never use a tag that is not on the controlled vocabulary list!

6.       Keep spaces out of a tag name. (Spaces may require putting the tag name in quotes when doing a search.)

7.       Resist the urge to use tags for things that should be a field in the library record. (Submit a feature request to Logos. For example: purchase price, purchase date, etc.)

8.       Tags do not need to be mutually exclusive. This overlap is another of the advantage of tagging

9.       Document the controlled vocabulary!

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 28 2011 11:23 PM

Frank Fenby:

Rosie Perera:
I don't ever want to be mistakenly cited as the source of them in the future

Rosie, as long as God gets the glory, I do not care who gets the credit. I am glad you like them and hope others find them helpful. Some of these came from spending time reading Internet articles on controlled vocabularies. The others from trying it and making mistakes. Here is the first draft of my own principles for a controlled vocabulary (CV) for tagging Logos resources. Others may need different guidelines.

Principles:

1.       A few tags with a lot of entries are better than a lot of sparse tags. If a tag gets too large then go back and divided it as illustrated below. The fewer the tags the better. Resist the urge to add new tags to the controlled vocabulary (CV)!

2.       Do not use tags for groupings that are simple selection of a library field. For example type:…, author:…, rating:…,languages:…, publisher:…, series:… . You may need to build a collection of these for use in some tools such as the commentary section of a passage guide. (Bible Harmonies is an example.)

3.       Most books should have at least one tag.

4.       Feel free to add many tags to any one book. (Just remember how hard it is to remove a single tag from a group of books with multiple tags.) This overlap is one of the advantages of tagging over the older classification systems such as Dewey Decimal numbers and LOC call numbers.

5.       Never use a tag that is not on the controlled vocabulary list!

6.       Keep spaces out of a tag name. (Spaces may require putting the tag name in quotes when doing a search.)

7.       Resist the urge to use tags for things that should be a field in the library record. (Submit a feature request to Logos. For example: purchase price, purchase date, etc.)

8.       Tags do not need to be mutually exclusive. This overlap is another of the advantage of tagging

9.       Document the controlled vocabulary!

 

Yes

Excellent advice. Glory be to God!

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 12:31 AM

Can anybody explain the pros and cons of using collections vs. tags? For instance, should I tag all apologetic books with the tag apologetics, or should I use a collection that contains all apologetic books?

Armin

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 1:05 AM

Armin:

Can anybody explain the pros and cons of using collections vs. tags? For instance, should I tag all apologetic books with the tag apologetics, or should I use a collection that contains all apologetic books?

It isn't really a question of using collections vs. tags. Sometimes you need to use both in conjunction with each other. My most common use of tagging is to mark books that should be included in a dynamic collection which got missed by the collection rule because a keyword wasn't included in its title or other metadata. For example, I have a collection of Archaeological Resources which has the rule title:archaeolog OR subject:archaeolog OR mytag:archaeology. The first two terms will pick up every resource in my library that has archaeology or archaeological in the title or subject field. But that misses a few relevant titles such as The Context of Scripture, Volume Two: Monumental Inscriptions from the Biblical World and Urbanism in the Aegean Bronze Age. So I have tagged these latter two (and others) with my tag Archaeology, and they included in that collection because of the final term mytag:archaeology (case is insensitive).

Most places in Logos where you can use a Collection, you can accomplish the same thing by using the automatically generated collection mytag:****   (e.g., mytag:Apologetics). Those "mytag" auto-collections show up in the Collections dropdown in the Search panel, for example, and you can select them in the Collection section of custom Passage Guides.

However there are some things you can do with Collections that you can't do that way:

  • You can print/export a bibliography from a Collection
  • You can make collections which combine different tags. For example, I sometimes find myself wanting to exclude a whole bunch of books from a Search based on some tag I'd applied to them, and a collection can do this. I just add ANDNOT mytag:*** to the end of the collection definition rule.
  • Furthermore, collection titles can be nice and long and descriptive, whereas you tend to want to keep tags short since a book can have multiple tags and you want to be able to read them all easily in the Library "My Tags" column. I have a tag for each of my commentary categories (AppComm for application commentaries, CritComm for critical commentaries, etc.). And then I've got a collection for each of those which is simply made with a rule such as mytag:AppComm, but the title of the collection can be more descriptive (e.g., "Application/Devotional Commentaries", "Critical/Scholarly Commentaries", etc.).

So think of tags as supporting your collections, but not a replacement for them.

There are also a few things I use tags for that are unrelated to collections. I tag every item with the date that I bought it (e.g., Bought: 20110228), and also the original Bundle or Base package that it came with (e.g., Base: Portfolio or Bundle: Calvin 500) and/or the sale that I aquired it in (e.g., Sale: Xmas 2010). Finally, I still sometimes think in terms of old fashioned physical bookshelves as a way of browsing what I've got, so when I acquire books I try to think of where I might shelve these in a physical bookcase, and then I tag them accordingly (e.g., Shelf: History). These shelvings usually don't correspond exactly to my collections. But it gives me great pleasure to be able to filter my library by shelf and just look at, say, my history books and find something serendipitously that I might want to pick off the shelf and start reading.

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 4:32 AM

Thanks Frank for the list and document.  I am thinking how I can improve my tagging use now!

Another good thing with collections is you can combine tagging and ratings together.  So you might have tagged 50 resources as archeological.  With a collection you could then search through them all, or just your 5 star books.

Tags and collections together are a very powerful way of organising a library.

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Martin Folley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 6:00 AM

Frank Fenby:
Here is the present, very, very unfinished state. I would welcome any comments. 8004.Fenby Controlled Vocabulary for Logos Tagging.docx

This is good Frank, thank you for sharing.

It was interesting to trying to compare it to my own lists. My trouble is that I started editing and creating a control list but have since fallen back to 'just tagging' based on what I think I was doing in the summer. I still have the excel list but there are now many additional tags that need tidying.

Does anybody know how to export the tags to CSV (or any other format)? The resource details are not essential, I am only after a list that I can use to identify my current tags.

 

 

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Frank Fenby | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 10:54 AM

Just added another item to the list.

10. Do not add tag to the controlled vocabulary that you are unlikely to use. You are the tagging these books for YOU not the universe.

If one wants a "universal" tag list then just use the subjects already provided in the library. And kip the pain of tagging.

[edit minor delete and add]

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 1 2011 2:54 PM

Martin Folley:

Does anybody know how to export the tags to CSV (or any other format)? The resource details are not essential, I am only after a list that I can use to identify my current tags.

Just click on the My Tags column in your Library to sort by that field, and you'll see a list of all the tags you're currently using, with all the resources that have each of those tags collapsed under it. You can expand each group by clicking on the tag. It's easy that way to notice problems, like where you have two different spellings of what was intended to be the same tag, and then you can go back and fix them up.

I'm still hoping we'll someday get a tag management tool so that we can easily rename tags, merge tags (e.g., two different spellings of what should be the same tag), and remove a single tag from a selected group of resources without affecting the other tags assigned to them.

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