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Scott H. Clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 3:50 PM

Dan,

I have read the public statements closely.  As many of the articles linked by Tom indicate, there is at least some reason to believe the changes require all content purchased outside of the app to be available for purchase inside the app through the app store, also.  Any content not available in the Apple system, would not be available on the device.  This seems to be the thrust of Apple's public statements, but I hope your inside info is correct.  In any case, consider the vast amount of publicity the Sony vs. Apple dispute is receiving, it cannot be in anyone's best interest to leave these things uncertain for very long.  At the very least, a re-clarification by Apple is probably warranted. 

Thanks,

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 3:57 PM

I did say that it was simple what apple told me. If they do that I can;t see a long life for the iPAD.

 

-Dan

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Scott H. Clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 4:15 PM

Dan, I agree.  I truly hope this has been 'much ado about nothing', but wouldn't chance such a large purchase, until things are certain.  I appreciate your sharing the information you received.  It does help add some depth to the discussion.

Thanks.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 6:26 PM

Dan Francis:
If they do that I can;t see a long life for the iPAD.

It would not be the first time Apple shot themselves in the foot.

I was just ready to spring for the best iPad.  I won't until after Summer time now.

I'd rather spend the extra 30% buying more Logos resources for my computer than have the iPad.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 6:54 PM

Disclaimer (like Dan) - personally not an Apple employee nor own Apple stock.

Tony Thomas:

Observation: while journalist linked to Sony's ebookstore web page http://ebookstore.sony.com/ - missed Sony's in app purchasing (cannot buy anything via web page).

Sean McIntyre:

Dan Francis:

... Sony has always sold their works only through their programs. There is no way to order a book but through their software. ...

I think you may be mistaken - Sony was not including an in app purchase. ...

Sony was including their own in app purchasing.  Looking at Sony's ebookstore web page => http://ebookstore.sony.com/ - no place for account login and purchase (different from Logos, Kindle, Nook, etc).  Sony uses their own Reader Library Software for in app purchasing => http://ebookstore.sony.com/howitworks/

Irony: "... that from his early twenties on, Jobs had a fascination with Sony that bordered on obsession. ..." (on page 2) => http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/01/28/apop012811.DTL

Scott H. Clark:
I have read the public statements closely.  As many of the articles linked by Tom indicate, there is at least some reason to believe the changes require all content purchased outside of the app to be available for purchase inside the app through the app store, also.  Any content not available in the Apple system, would not be available on the device.

Concur Apple desires in app purchasing be available for content that can be purchased externally.  However, have not read that in app purchase price has to be the same as external (anticipating 42.86 % markup for some in app purchasing - pass along Apple's 30 % cut to consumers).

With several free web browsers available for iPad, subscription web page content would remain available (without 30 % to Apple).

After 2 week free subscription to "The Daily" expires later this month, will be interesting to watch subscription sales.  If profit generating, can envision many free newspaper and magazine applications changing; journalists like to eat; many newspaper layoffs last year => http://newspaperlayoffs.com/  Appears "The Daily" has compelling content for ongoing subscription (including interaction and video clips).  Wonder about future of printed newspapers and magazines ?

Likewise wondering if Logos should offer a subscription Bible Study magazine application on iPhone/iPad, Android, and Biblia.com ? (and digital version for Logos 4 desktop)

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 3 2011 7:16 PM

Matthew C Jones:

Dan Francis:
If they do that I can;t see a long life for the iPAD.

It would not be the first time Apple shot themselves in the foot.

I was just ready to spring for the best iPad.  I won't until after Summer time now.

I'd rather spend the extra 30% buying more Logos resources for my computer than have the iPad.

Agree in the world of corporate greed nothing is ever certain. http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20110201/apple-on-sony-reader-we-have-not-changed-our-guidelines/  Apple denies any change in TOS, yes there are obviously new terms of service for the forth coming magazine and news paper subscriptions. I do remember reading one large paper was selling subscriptions to access their iOS app, but that Apple informed them that this will change , the app either had to be open to all people without subscription in the future or had to follow the forth coming guidelines. Apple might well shoot themselves in the foot but from what apple has said, including about Kindle and BN applications are ok. Like I said anything is possible, including insanely stupid moves like this would be. But many people have said this was a way to get free publicity care of Apple. Truth is likely somewhere in between, stupid move and misunderstanding. So it might be a good idea to hold off any iPad purchase to the dust settles, unless you want to get it and install apps, unlike google apple doesn't t erase apps of peoples phones and pads. I have several Apps that disappeared from the app store EDIT. The still function perfectly... now I do understand iOS 5 or 6 may make theses apps unusable but for now all I can say is I am not overly worried. 

I think Apple is a well run company, I know God is good. Hopefully God will guide believers and unbelievers  for the greater good.

-dan

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Chris Hulshof | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 4 2011 6:48 AM

I'm following this as well.  As with other posters, I have some Christmas cash/gift cards waiting to be used on a 2nd gen. iPad but not being able to use the Logos app to the fullest would put a damper on that.  I might have to rethink a MBA instead.  Although, that wouldn't be as easy to use as a Bible in church or a reader, which was the purpose of an iPad purchase.  I have come to love using my iPhone Sunday Morning's now (other then explaining myself to the gawkers and gossips who think the Pastor is texting through the service Smile ).

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Tony Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2011 1:46 PM

This is troubling if true:

"Apple has now taken the next step in its attempt to enforce the app store policy of not allowing iOS apps to use content which was purchased from an outside source. It's announced that as of March 31st, all apps must make the content they use available for purchase from within the app itself — paying Apple the customary 30% which it receives from every app store transaction."

http://www.tecca.com/news/2011/02/03/apple-sets-deadline-for-amazons-kindle-app-to-change/

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2011 2:31 PM

Tony Thomas:

This is troubling if true:

"Apple has now taken the next step in its attempt to enforce the app store policy of not allowing iOS apps to use content which was purchased from an outside source. It's announced that as of March 31st, all apps must make the content they use available for purchase from within the app itself — paying Apple the customary 30% which it receives from every app store transaction."

http://www.tecca.com/news/2011/02/03/apple-sets-deadline-for-amazons-kindle-app-to-change/

Followed (source) links:

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-itunes-publishers-2011-2

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704775604576120531458250932.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection - includes:

'Apple has indicated the sales outside of iTunes can continue, as long as sales through its store are provided as an option. "Rest assured that we want our customers to be able to get their publications easily both from our App Store and obviously from websites or other ways they get them," Mr. Cue said.'

Note: Eddy Cue is Apple's vice president of Internet services.

Wall Street Journal article also includes (plus not know how in app enforcement change will affect Kindle):

But the way Apple controls development of publishing apps may be closely scrutinized. The Federal Trade Commission launched an inquiry last year to determine whether Apple had violated antitrust laws with restrictions on the programming technology it allowed to create apps for its iPhones and iPads, according to people familiar with the matter. The FTC also investigated whether Apple's conditions unfairly disadvantaged Google's mobile advertising network, AdMob, on Apple devices. Apple changed those policies in September.

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Scott H. Clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 5 2011 2:56 PM

If this works out the way it looks from these articles, it may well turn out to be a case study in destroying one's market share.  Apple has always been very protectionist, but this reeks of short-sightedness.   Perhaps their new marketing campaign can be "there's no longer an app for that". 


I'd still like to hear the official Logos take on this.  Even if that take is "I don't know yet". 

Thanks for staying on top of this guys. :)

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 9:05 PM

Scott H. Clark:
I'd still like to hear the official Logos take on this.  Even if that take is "I don't know yet".

Intentionally silent. Our app meets Apples guidelines and we are glad to offer it on the iPhone.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 9:30 PM

Bob Pritchett:

Scott H. Clark:
I'd still like to hear the official Logos take on this.  Even if that take is "I don't know yet".

Intentionally silent. Our app meets Apples guidelines and we are glad to offer it on the iPhone.

Thank you Bob Pritchett so much for the reply!!! I was realy worrying about this issue

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Sean McIntyre | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 9 2011 10:09 PM

Slava Novik:

Bob Pritchett:

Scott H. Clark:
I'd still like to hear the official Logos take on this.  Even if that take is "I don't know yet".

Intentionally silent. Our app meets Apples guidelines and we are glad to offer it on the iPhone.

 

Thank you Bob Pritchett so much for the reply!!! I was realy worrying about this issue

I am still confused. Does this mean that Apples statement about requiring you to have in-app purchases for content offered outside, is incorrect? Have Aple changed their mind? Should I buy an iPad? 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 10 2011 12:36 AM

Sean McIntyre:
I am still confused. Does this mean that Apples statement about requiring you to have in-app purchases for content offered outside, is incorrect? Have Aple changed their mind?

The particular issue with the Sony app is not just that it offers content outside the app, but that it allows purchase of that content from inside the app that doesn't go through Apple's store. Logos' app, on the other hand, doesn't allow any in-app purchasing.

What Bob is therefore saying, I think, is that the Logos app meets Apple's official guidelines (though he is not saying that Logos meets the requirements of some of the additional statements Apple have made). He's also saying that he's not going to put his head above Apple's parapet which could result in the Logos app ending up in the firing line.

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Scott H. Clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 10 2011 12:51 PM

Bob,

Thanks for chiming in.  I had hoped to hear from someone with a Logos logo under their Avatar.  Having you be that person, does not surprise me.  I continue to be impressed with your interaction with your customer base.  It is rare in today's fast-paced environement.  So, all the more, I appreciate it.   

I remain a little concerned by the thought of "intentional silence".  Not because Logos is doing anything wrong by it, but because of the note of uncertainty it leaves in my mind.  That said, I suppose my concern is really more with Apple.  I would really feel bad if I were to spend the money for an iPad (as is my plan for the Gen2 iPad), only to find that the ONE app I really wanted to use on it stopped working sometime shortly after that purchase.

Mark Barnes:

What Bob is therefore saying, I think, is that the Logos app meets Apple's official guidelines (though he is not saying that Logos meets the requirements of some of the additional statements Apple have made). He's also saying that he's not going to put his head above Apple's parapet which could result in the Logos app ending up in the firing line.

This quote from Mark is part of that concern.  I continue to wonder what happens if Apple does zero in on the #1 Bible app.  My hope is that Logos could and would adapt in some way to keep the app functional.  Considering the vast investment made already, I can only assume as much.  I will take your comments to mean as much for now, but please do let us know if that changes before the iPad2 rollout. 

Thank you.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 13 2011 3:46 PM

Many of the iPhone / iPad apps are intended to use content purchased outside the app.  MLB.com is a popular baseball app.  To watch video you buy the content on the MLB.com site.  The Dishnetwork TV anywhere is another.  Netflicks is another. There are lots and lots of them that sell their books, movies, and video on a website. 

That is fine with Apple, and they are not about to ban their most popular apps.

The problem Apple has is when the content is sold through the app, and Apple doesn't get a cut.  That is what Sony was doing.

Logos will have no problem since their app is about using content we have already purchased, not purchasing content through the app.  I think everyone is worked up about nothing.

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