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K.J. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 8:16 PM

 

Matthew C Jones:
In the state of Kansas, USA there was a fellow known as the "BTK" serial killer (Bind, Torture, Kill). He was  a family man, an active church leader & postman.

Matthew C Jones:
The connection is there, if you would do some sleuthing.

Do you speak of the time when a certain "religious organization" bound, tortured, and killed Christians for the "heresy" of owning a Bible?

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 8:26 PM

K.J.:
Do you speak of the time when a certain "religious organization"

Please reread the forum guidelines Where's our OTK when he's neededConfused?

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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K.J. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 8:39 PM

MJ. Smith:
Please reread the forum guidelines

Ah, Yes.

When all else fails, invoke the forum guidelines. OK. I read them. I find nothing that addresses an attempt to sleuth out the "connection" an MVP alludes to. 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 8:42 PM

K.J.:
Do you speak of the time

Nope.

Not remotely

I think it is time to revisit Milford's original post and quietly walk through that serene artwork.

 

Thanks again, Milford, Brother.

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 10:25 PM

K.J.:

Do you speak of the time when a certain "religious organization" bound, tortured, and killed Christians for the "heresy" of owning a Bible?

 

Surprise

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 10:37 PM

You mean the Roman inquisition? See full article at Wikipedia.

 The Roman inquisition was a system of tribunals developed by the Holy See during the second half of the 16th century, responsible for prosecuting individuals accused of a wide array of crimes related to heresy, including sorceryimmoralityblasphemyJudaizing and witchcraft, as well for censorship of printed literature. 

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K.J. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 26 2011 10:46 PM

 

 

"By 1545 Rome was under the spell of a new austerity. Reform was on the rise. The immoralities of Paul’s younger days were no longer acceptable behavior. The pope’s new rigor was apparent in the institution of the Roman Inquisition and in the Index of prohibited books—works that any Catholic risked damnation by reading. All the books of the Reformers were listed, as well as Protestant Bibles. For a long time merely to possess one of these banned books in Spain was punishable by death. The Index was kept up to date until 1959 and was finally abolished by Pope Paul VI."

 

Shelley, B. L. (1995). Church history in plain language (Updated 2nd ed.) (274). Dallas, Tex.: Word Pub.

 

 

"Inquisition Roman Catholic tribunal for the investigation, prosecution, and punishment of unrepentent heretics. In the Scriptures, the only punishment for heresy was excommunication, and the early fathers disapproved of physical penalties. According to St. John Chrysostom, putting a heretic to death was in itself “an inexpiable crime.” After Christianity became the state religion, the Catholic Church found it possible to use the power of civil authorities to suppress heresies and to discourage their spread. By 1184, under Pope Lucius III, it became the official policy of the Catholic Church to keep a watch on heretics and to hand over to civil authorities those who refused to recant."

 

Kurian, G. T. (2001). Nelson's new Christian dictionary : The authoritative resource on the Christian world. Nashville, Tenn.: Thomas Nelson Pubs.

 

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Silent Sam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 1:03 AM

                                                                               Hmm HHHMMMmmm~~~ Hmm

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 3:12 AM

For crying out loud.... 

Again and again and again, these issues play out on the forums. 

How on earth is this sort of a back and fro-ing edifying?

The forum guidelines were implemented precisely to counter this sort of discussion.

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Brad Fry | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 5:52 AM

I think this thread is an example of what can happen when we try to make this forum something it's not nor was intended to be. With over 40,000 members you can not just "big tent" everyone and make blanket judgments about them, good or bad. That is unwise. This is not a brotherhood. It's not the church. It is a meeting place to talk about using Logos Bible Software. Fun and lighthearted is good. Slurs and stereotyping are not good. Just my two cents worth.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 6:03 AM

Brad Fry:
Just my two cents worth.

...good two cents Yes

Bohuslav

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K.J. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 9:21 AM

Brad Fry:
This is not a brotherhood. It's not the church.

I think we can all agree on that. I remind you of the title of this thread.   (A Gift to ALL Catholics *smile*)   If people don't want their pet denomination investigated and commented on, Don't include it in the title or make it central in the original post. Big Smile

Brad Fry:
Fun and lighthearted is good. Slurs and stereotyping are not good.

Studying the Word is GOOD. Promoting or Defending a particular denomination is NOT GOOD. Logos is BIBLE software,  Not Catholic apologetic software.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 9:55 AM

Damian McGrath:

For crying out loud.... 

Again and again and again, these issues play out on the forums. 

How on earth is this sort of a back and fro-ing edifying?

The forum guidelines were implemented precisely to counter this sort of discussion.

I would agree that it is high time that this nonsense cease.  Protestants can point to the Inquisition with justice, but there were similar occurances throughout Europe including about every group EXCEPT FOR the Anabaptists which never engaged in the persecution of those who disagreed with them though there was the Münster Rebellion which took a rather radical turn.  It would seem that a climate of intollerance was a part of the cultural mileau of the time.  In Geneva there was Michael Servetus (who would have been put to death anywhere in Europe whether in Calvinist, Lutheran, Church of England or Catholic domains).  In England there was likewise persecution of Roman Catholics.  It would seem that we continue to carry on old conflicts as though they were current events.  It is time we put all of this behind us and, ONE AND ALL, acknowledge the brotherhood of all who profess Christ.  This has, in some circles, become a continuous conflict resembling the Hattfields and the McCoys.  Enough already !  It is time to live one's own faith without attempting to demonstrate that others are the enemy.  Must we continue to relive the conflicts of another age ?  It is history -- let it rest.  Now, if we could only kill off the insane addiction to interlinears.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:01 AM

George Somsel:
It is time we put all of this behind us and, ONE AND ALL, acknowledge the brotherhood of all who profess Christ.  This has, in some circles, become a continuous conflict resembling the Hattfields and the McCoys.  Enough already !  It is time to live one's own faith without attempting to demonstrate that others are the enemy.  Must we continue to relive the conflicts of another age ?  It is history -- let it rest.

Your statement may or may not be correct, but these forums are not the place to propogate such views. 

 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:07 AM

Mike Pettit:

Your statement may or may not be correct, but these forums are not the place to propogate such views. 

And I suppose that these forums are, in your opinion, the place to foment conflict between different groups of those who profess allegiance to Jesus Christ?

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Abi Gail | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:14 AM

George Somsel:
It is history -- let it rest. 

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"... George Santayana

~

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:32 AM

Abi Gail:

George Somsel:
It is history -- let it rest. 

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"... George Santayana

Yes, remember it -- as a warning against its continuation and not as an excuse to continue it.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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K.J. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:39 AM

George Somsel:
And I suppose that these forums are, in your opinion, the place to foment conflict between different groups

The fomenting was initiated in the very title of the thread. An attempt to sell snake oil will inevitably prompt some to challenge the salesman. Justifiably so.

It would seem that Newton was correct:    

"Every action is accompanied by a reaction of equal magnitude but opposite direction." 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 10:45 AM

K.J.:

George Somsel:
And I suppose that these forums are, in your opinion, the place to foment conflict between different groups

The fomenting was initiated in the very title of the thread. An attempt to sell snake oil will inevitably prompt some to challenge the salesman. Justifiably so.

It would seem that Newton was correct:    

"Every action is accompanied by a reaction of equal magnitude but opposite direction." 

And so the very mention of the word "Catholic" is a provocation?  I say to you "Hatfields" and "McCoys."

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Brad Stogsdill | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 27 2011 11:10 AM

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? (1st John 5:1-5)

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