Strong's link does not work. Can anyone tell me why?

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Debbie Howard | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Feb 23 2011 12:32 PM

In the KJ Bible I have Inline Strong's Numbers checked. They appear under the word. When I first open the text the first time I hit a number it gives me what I would expect, the open link to hte word definition for that number. However, each successive number I click it opens TDNT which is not even open at the time, and NOT what I want. I have spent hours trying to find a solution to the problem which has proved to be a major distraction from my Bible Study time. Please, can someone tell me how to fix this glitch so I can do Bible study, not Logos forum searches.

 

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:04 PM

You have to have a Strong's lexicon prioritized in in your library in order for this to work the way you want.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:07 PM

Debbie Howard:

In the KJ Bible I have Inline Strong's Numbers checked. They appear under the word. When I first open the text the first time I hit a number it gives me what I would expect, the open link to the word definition for that number. However, each successive number I click it opens TDNT which is not even open at the time, and NOT what I want. I have spent hours trying to find a solution to the problem which has proved to be a major distraction from my Bible Study time. Please, can someone tell me how to fix this glitch so I can do Bible study, not Logos forum searches.

 

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Just to prove it's a Prioritization issue, take your favorite resource that has Strong's numbers in it, and drag it to FIRST in your priority list.  Now go back, you should see the Strong's #s in KJV use this resource when you click on them and when you hover over them.  Once you see how it works, move that resource to where you want it, above other resources that also have Strong's numbers in them.

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Debbie Howard | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:08 PM

So tell me what logical sense that makes. Why would this software come pre-prioritized, giving me some other book instead of the one which it should logically open.

I've wasted more than 4 hours trying to figure this out. To find out that Logos set the prioritization contrary to any common sense makes me want to ask for a refund. What a time waster.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:13 PM

Debbie Howard:

So tell me what logical sense that makes. Why would this software come pre-prioritized, giving me some other book instead of the one which it should logically open.

I've wasted more than 4 hours trying to figure this out. To find out that Logos set the prioritization contrary to any common sense makes me want to ask for a refund. What a time waster.

The beauty is that it is you who is choosing which resources you want to see first, not Logos dictating it to you, it is a great feature that seperates grown up software like Logos from the pack.

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:13 PM

Jerry is right, but let me give you step-by-step instructions:

  1. Open your library, and click on prioritize.
  2. In the library, find the dictionary that you want to open when you click a Strong's number (perhaps The Enhanced Strongs Lexicon).
  3. Drag that dictionary across into your prioritize list above any other Greek/Hebrew lexicons you might have listed.

That will work, but it will also mean that the Enhanced Strong's lexicon will also open when you double click on Greek words. If you don't want this to happen, then also:

  1. Right click on the lexicon in your prioritisation list and choose Set Prioritization Limits (Advanced).
  2. In the box that says of this type, choose Greek Strong's Number.
  3. Drag another copy of the dictionary across into your prioritize list.
  4. Right click on it and choose Set Prioritization Limits (Advanced).
  5. In the box that says of this type, choose Hebrew Strong's Number.

This will ensure your Strong's Lexicon opens for Strong's numbers, but your normal lexicon still opens for Greek words.

If you want to understand more about prioritisation, these resources will help:

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:18 PM

Debbie Howard:

So tell me what logical sense that makes. Why would this software come pre-prioritized, giving me some other book instead of the one which it should logically open.

I've wasted more than 4 hours trying to figure this out. To find out that Logos set the prioritization contrary to any common sense makes me want to ask for a refund. What a time waster.

Some people prefer TDNT to open when they click on Strong's Numbers. Some people don't. Logos gives you the choice. That's not contrary to common sense, that's flexibility.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 1:46 PM

Debbie Howard:

So tell me what logical sense that makes. Why would this software come pre-prioritized, giving me some other book instead of the one which it should logically open.

It's not that it came pre-prioritized, it came NO prioritized. It pulls up something, but Logos is really meant for YOU to tell IT which resources you want to display in which places.  I can assure you that if there were 50 people here discussing the resource they would want used, there would be 50 different answers!  Your preference makes sense to you, and that's why Logos gave you the tools to make it work that way. That's how it works.

You should really look at the videos Mark suggested, they will really help you understand how this particular aspect of Logos was meant to work. We can fight it, but then we won't be happy. It's really tremendously powerful in all the capability it gives us to link resources in exactly the way we want. 

While you are at it, if you have the time look at Mark's other excellent videos. Understand how Logos was meant to work will save you a lot of time and frustration in the future, and you will be amazed at all you can do with it.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 3:37 PM

Debbie Howard:
To find out that Logos set the prioritization contrary to any common sense makes me want to ask for a refund. What a time waster.

The problem that Logos faces is that they have a very diverse customer-base. I happen to "hate" Strong's numbers; George happens to "hate" interlinears ... Unfortunately, it is not obvious when you begin to use the program what you have to do in setup work in order to get it to work as you would like. I strongly advise everyone to watch the videos and read the wiki entries as you learn to use Logos 4.  Many threads have people expressing frustration and considering refunds - nearly all of these thread end up with the user liking the product Keep asking questions on the forum - after 15 or 20 minutes. There are lots of people to offer help and they've all been through the frustrating stages themselves.

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Vincent Setterholm | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 3:55 PM

Debbie Howard:
Why would this software come pre-prioritized, giving me some other book instead of the one which it should logically open.

It doesn't. Back in the days of Libronix 3, we made very few decisions about how KeyLinking would work out-of-the-box, which made for some rather unusual default behavior. I think a lot of the old hands naturally figured that when they installed Logos 4, they should spend a lot of time prioritizing resources, like they had to back in the Libronix days. But for Logos 4, we did put a lot of thought into making the defaults out of the box reasonably good - at least if English is your preferred language.

For example, I've seen a lot of advice on the forums about making sure to prioritize the BDAG or HALOT lexicons, but if you own those, they are automatically preferred - if you don't over-ride the default behavior by prioritizing alternate lexicons.

For Strong's numbers, Enhanced Strong's Lexicon is preferred out of the box unless you purchased the Complete Word Study Dictionaries, third party titles not in the base collections, which we gave a higher default rank because they are primarily organized around Strong's numbers and provide a bit more information than Enhanced Strong's, while still being geared towards the same audience. We figured that if someone specifically bought that as a third-party a la carte purchase, they wouldn't mind it getting slotted in above the ESL by default.

So the only way that you'd get TDNT to pop-up on a Strong's number ahead of Enhanced Strong's is if you prioritized TDNT without using the advanced options to limit that ranking to a specific data type, such as the Greek head word. (This ability to promote a book for every data type it contains at once is a big difference from Libronix, where the prioritization decisions were always made one data type at a time, so that takes some getting used to.)

In general, the default priorities rank the detailed multi-volume sets highly. For example, if you buy the 6 volume Anchor Bible Dictionary, we figure there is a reasonable chance you'd like that to be your first stop for a Bible dictionary. If you purchased the new Brill Translation and Commentary of Flavius Josephus, for the portions of Josephus that are available, we default to those volumes instead of the older Whiston translation. Obviously, we can't predict every possible workflow - some folk might prefer a short one-paragraph definition of something before moving to a more in depth article. But we aim to make the best use, out of the box, of the best resources in your library.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:12 PM

Vincent Setterholm:
(This ability to promote a book for every data type it contains at once is a big difference from Libronix, where the prioritization decisions were always made one data type at a time, so that takes some getting used to.)

Users do find it confusing and L3's system was easier to explain! We (power users) are just coming to grips with the Advanced options, particularly where you can restrict bible references to the version used by the resource eg. xxxxxxx Study Bible (NKJV version), instead of using the preferred Bible version.

However, I'm still wondering when the Strong's numbers in NASB95 finally will be fixed.

Dave
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