Mea Culpa re: Logos 4 for Mac Speed

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Mar 22 2011 6:27 PM

I was experiencing poor performance on my new MacBook Pro when running Logos 4 for Mac. Frustrated by this for a few months now I write about it on my blog and complained here. I then did an upgrade, installing a new hard drive that is much faster. Immediately after the upgrade Logos was still very sluggish. My conclusion was that Logos was not coded well and I must admit I sort of went overboard, even to the point of planning to do a full comparison video between Logos in OS X and running on the same machine in Parallels/Windows 7. The problem was that my hybrid hard drive started learning that I use Logos a lot and began organizing the files on the SSD portion of the drive. During my test i did the Parallels demo first. It took a minute to load but was fast otherwise. Then I loaded the Mac version and it didn't load the same desktop (Logos for win and Logos for Mac seldom sync properly). So to make it fair I set up up my desktop the same way and restarted. Guess what? it loaded quickly, much more quickly this second time. 17 seconds quick. And it responded very quickly. So my test showed that my complaints were no longer valid.

So here I am offering my mea culpa. Get a very high powered MacBook Pro and an expensive hard drive upgrade and Logos 4 for Mac will run well.

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2011 6:35 PM

Send money please. :) This poor pastor has to make do with an early 2008 Macbook Pro.

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Dan | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2011 7:21 PM

Two quick notes:

1. Every Application on a Mac loads faster the second time. It doesn't matter whether you have a fancy hard drive or not. This is a feature of OS X.

2. Logos does not sync the open desktops--only the saved layouts. I have 2 copies of Logos in Windows and 1 copy of the Mac. None of the startup desktops are the same, but all the saved layouts are synced between all three copies.

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Mr. Simple | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 22 2011 7:22 PM

Heck, why go half way ? - This is the route you need to take for assured performance on a Mac Platform Cool

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0

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Boris Repschinski | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 12:47 AM

Chris Roberts:

Send money please. :) This poor pastor has to make do with an early 2008 Macbook Pro.

May I join the queue?

Apart from that, I find it a bit odd that a program which basically is not doing incredibly complicated graphics will not run well on a computer that is three years old and runs anything else rather satisfactorily. I have that macbook 2008 as well, and with 4gb of Ram it does all I want it to do, except run Logos4 well. And here Kevin comes and tells us that we need a computer that is new and needs to be upgraded with some very expensive hardware?

BR

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University of Innsbruck

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 5:52 AM

Yep. I think we are just not very hip.

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Monroe R Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 7:17 AM

But how will I get it in my backpack?

Larry Good:

Heck, why go half way ? - This is the route you need to take for assured performance on a Mac Platform Cool

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0

 

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 7:36 AM

Too funny. G5's can't run Logos 4 Mac at all.

 

 

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Andrew Hanson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 3:17 PM

Boris Repschinski:

May I join the queue?

Apart from that, I find it a bit odd that a program which basically is not doing incredibly complicated graphics will not run well on a computer that is three years old and runs anything else rather satisfactorily. I have that macbook 2008 as well, and with 4gb of Ram it does all I want it to do, except run Logos4 well. And here Kevin comes and tells us that we need a computer that is new and needs to be upgraded with some very expensive hardware?

BR

I don't think you need to upgrade it new hardware. My new MBP with stock everything runs Logos very well. It's fast. Really fast. But, is it out of the realm of possibility to expect new software that, although it is not graphics intensive, certainly is data intensive, might slow down older hardware? Your machine may run everything else you use just fine, but I'd bet if you were to import a bunch .mp4 videos into iMove, it would take a good long time. Or, if you were to render a DVD with say, 8 different .mp4 clips, it might take you a good long time. Word and Safari et al probably do run just great, but then again they don't do much that pushes your machine.

Kevin, cudos to you for this thread. 

Father Matheny, if you're in this forum, then like me you're probably way beyond being hip Wink

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 6:40 PM

Logos 4 is running great on my machine, with 8G RAM and a 7200 RPM hard drive.

A few months ago, I made a back-up clone of my HD onto a FW-800 external disk. After booting from that disk, I noticed that L4 was a little faster than it was on my internal HD. So I formatted my internal and cloned it back from my external. I got a noticeable improvement in L4's performance on my internal drive. I don't know if it was the consolidation of free space,  the de-fragmentation of large index files, or what.  All I can say is re-cloning my hard drive made it run better.

Might be worth a try for those still having performance issues with L4 Mac...

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Mr. Simple | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 8:03 PM

@Otto,

Interesting. HFS volumes generally do no need defragmenting due the design of the file system. 

@Tech Support

Is there or can there be  any issues with "fragmented" index files? Hmm

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Otto S. Carroll | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 23 2011 10:20 PM

I also heard large files ( > 20 MB) does fragment on the Mac. Index files are VERY large. All I can say at this point is there was a noticeable bump in performance after recloning.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 24 2011 4:20 AM

Larry Good:
Is there or can there be  any issues with "fragmented" index files? Hmm

An interesting question to ask the Mac Development Team. I'll see if I can get a message to one of them. 

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 24 2011 6:49 AM

Dear Andrew: Yep, way beyond being hip.

I even shy away from the word usually, afraid mine will "go out" or something.

 

Big smile, thanks for helping me grin this morning.

 

Grace and Peace to all.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 24 2011 7:27 PM

Jack Caviness:

Larry Good:
Is there or can there be  any issues with "fragmented" index files? Hmm

An interesting question to ask the Mac Development Team. I'll see if I can get a message to one of them. 

 

Received this response from Stephen Smith (Logos Employee)

Also, I received your emails from Phil about the various mac issues in the forums. I am working on getting help to these customers and getting the dev team's take on the speed thread Kevin Purcell started. Thanks for the heads up!

I believe that is a reference to this thread.

 

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 25 2011 3:23 PM

Well, sure hope we see something. I have to admit, unfortunately, that my experience is not as good as it was. Further use I am seeing slowdowns. I opened my favorite saved desktop which I have as a button my toolbar and it took a really long time to load. I think the unsettling thing is that with this machine the very instant that I click something I get a visual response. In Logos 4 for Mac it takes usually a second or two to respond. In other words it is not that slow once it actually does something, but it is like Logos is trying to think -- what do I do he just clicked something? Oh yea, open a desktop. But which one. That one? Yeah, that one. Then pop it all just shows up instantly. But if only it would just start doing something  instantly it wouldn't feel so slow.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 25 2011 4:28 PM

Kevin A. Purcell:
it is like Logos is trying to think -- what do I do he just clicked something? Oh yea, open a desktop. But which one. That one? Yeah, that one. Then pop it all just shows up instantly. But if only it would just start doing something  instantly it wouldn't feel so slow.

Interesting analysis. Watching Activity Monitor, it does not seem that L4 is doing much of anything during that time. So perhaps the app can think without burning many CPU cycles. Geeked

In one of the many threads (http://community.logos.com/forums/p/31416/233560.aspx#233560) spawned by the disaster that was the SR-3 release or the mess of Beta 1, David Mitchell mentioned a problem caused by their new build process. Richard Klene then reported that this was fixed. Judging from the number of problems reported with these two releases, I don't think they even have a handle on what happened.

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