Time for Wednesday Night Bible Study...

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Douglas Stolberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:06 PM

Esther,

My church is a non-traditional church and the pastor is encouraging the use of technology for furthering the Gospel, so there is no reticence on my part in using a laptop. I marvel at why they aren't used more considering the wide use of Facebook by churches and by Christians in general. I wonder why it is OK to be on blogs such as this at home and yet feel guilty using God's Word in church in a similar format. I consider media as a neutral influence, which can be used for evil or for God's glory (L4 Smile ). I choose computers for the latter.

That is an excellent idea on the use of Twitter, although I am fairly ignorant of how it is used. I guess I'll have to move another inch forward in technology.

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Esther Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 25 2011 9:45 PM

Agree, agree, agree. 

And I was thinking the same thing, about having to move forward and learn one more thing--i.e. twitter.

That's ok...it's supposed to keep alzheimer's at bay, right?Wink

 

Esther

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Alonzo Wharton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 8 2011 5:39 PM

Douglas

Do you use Logos to take notes at church?  If so, do you use the Note feature or something else?

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 9 2011 3:58 AM

George Somsel:
Perhaps at 38 I'm too old for this, but I favor doing your study at home and participating in any discussion at church without a computer or iphone or whatever.  There's something about bringing a piece of technical equipment into the church and sticking your nose in it that simply doesn't appeal to me. 

I'm with George...at least for now.

I used to bring my laptop to church to follow along but really...no real study is possible because things are going by too fast and I can't concentrate and work L4 at the same time....not to mention the fact that it really didn't produce anything worth talking about...so big deal...I can look up a word that the pastor used....now what?

I found that I just take a few notes for study later....part of a phrase...a passage reference with a quick "look this up" sort of jotted note....

I'd rather concentrate on what the Pastor has prepared than be hitting all kinds of screens and buttons....it distracts me...

just my personal observation..... :)

Robert Pavich

For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 9 2011 8:01 AM

I have used my laptop as my Bible exclusively for the last 3-4 years. I have used a hardback copy during that time probably less than half-a-dozen times. At my Tohraah study group, about half of the study area is chairs in rows and the rest is tables and chairs for those with computers to set up. About 25% of the folks use computers on average. Since our study group is called Beit Midrash, we utiilize the same Reading/Discussion format that the name implies. For that reason, my notes, and my abilitiy to do searches for specific verses, original language meanings, etc., is used frequently every week.

A friend of mine occasionally calls me Borg (a Star Trek referrence to a race of cyborgs) because I literally take my computer with me everywhere I go. I pull it out in restaurants, friend's homes, parks, or wherever, anytime the discussion turns to Scripture. I often carry my projector with me as well, so that I can project Logos on a blank wall and allow more folks to follow along. I even used my projector to conduct an open air Bible study on a mountain during Sukkohtth. I have sat in restaurants from 10pm to sunrise conducting open Bible studies with friends. The advantage is that everyone is literally on the same page when they are looking at my computer or projected image. People raise questions and 9 out of 10 times I am able to secure an answer in a few brief clicks. Needless to say, people rarely nod off, because they are participants and can usually have even tricky questions dealt with in moments.

I use Logos extensively every day for hours, whether in my own study or in public or private study situations. I will say, though, that if all I had to play with was L4, my usage pattern would unquestionably be much different.

I've said it before in other threads, but in my estimation, Logos is a presentation program with advanced search capabilities. Or rather, L3 is. L3's notes functions allows me to conduct Bible studies and seminars with very little need to draw on other resources. I will occasionally use L4 for the BPPT, or some other unique ability, but I primarily utilize L3 for my presentations. I never use PowerPoint. I can go into Hebrew, Greek, commentaries, etc. by simply pasting in the pertinent info into a contextual note and the nifty L3 pop-up window feature (severely and tragically truncated in L4), allows me to share any or all of my study on a word or verse right on the spot with zero "search time". It's all instantaneous, right there in my large pop-up.

I my view, L4 was three steps forward and ten steps back. I have likened L4 to being an idiot savant--worthless for most common tasks, but capable of astounding exhibitions of limited genius. I am speaking for myself and my usage patterns, of course. Obviously, if all you do is use L4, then your usage patterns will always conform to its abilities and you won't suffer the same agonizing frustration with it that I do. Many of the kinds of things I use L3 for on a daily basis are impossible using L4. Its like one leg and one eye were excised in the process of creating it, but, on the positive side, the remaining eye and leg are bionic! Hurray!!

That said, we have a projector in our group that is manned by someone using e-sword. I often wish he had Logos, even if it were L4.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 9 2011 8:21 AM

David Paul:
I have likened L4 to being an idiot savant--worthless for most common tasks, but capable of astounding exhibitions of limited genius.

 

I'm going to say that there is a grain of truth to this statement...let me explain.

 

IF all a person needed was a few bibles and a few commentaries and their most intense search is "how many times God says he loves something (in English) " then probably L4 is overkill and any simple or even simple and free bible study software would fit the bill....

What a person uses L4 for does directly impact how much use it is to them....very true.

Robert Pavich

For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__

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Douglas Stolberg | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 9 2011 3:30 PM

Alonzo,

I simply use Word to make my notes.

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Alonzo Wharton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 10 2011 8:26 PM

Thanks!

I think I will continue to use paper for the notes in church and then put them into Logos 4 using the note feature.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 10 2011 10:43 PM

Alonzo Wharton:

Thanks!

I think I will continue to use paper for the notes in church and then put them into Logos 4 using the note feature.

Wise choice.  Give the service your full and undivided attention.  If you know ahead of time what the passage for the sermon will be, you might prepare at home, take only sufficient notes to be able to jog your memory later, and enter them in your notes when you get home providing you think they are sufficiently worthwhile.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Operation Evangelism | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 11 2011 7:48 PM

I use L4 during classes and have found the following format workable. The following screenshot is taking up half of my screen so that I have the other half of the laptop screen running Word for note taking, outlines, etc.

In regards to L4, I like to have the Info window in use with prioritized lexicons in the Library to give quick info by simply hovering over a passage. I keep English dictionaries and Bible dictionaries handy in this slim vertical pane along with lots of other resources.

Bibles are stacked up with text comparisons of greek, text comparisons of english, search,  and various specific translations. Primary bible as a link set is on the top.

Below is a set of unlinked bibles that are common comparison versions for me.

Hope that helps.

Blessings,

Chris

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