Expositor's Bible Commentary -- Original vs. Revised

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David Kirk Davis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 6:40 AM

I just bought the original for fear it will be pulled out of print. It is disappointing to see they have not included the first volume of introductory articles in the new edition. Some very fine articles are in it. 

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 30 2012 1:31 PM

David Kirk Davis:
I just bought the original for fear it will be pulled out of print. It is disappointing to see they have not included the first volume of introductory articles in the new edition. Some very fine articles are in it. 

The original which you bought is also available in Logos http://www.logos.com/product/5457/the-expositors-bible-commentary

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2013 7:13 PM

David Kirk Davis:
I just bought the original for fear it will be pulled out of print. It is disappointing to see they have not included the first volume of introductory articles in the new edition. Some very fine articles are in it.

I just noticed that. I have both editions, but am surprised they didn't include the Introductory Articles, especially since the Revised Edition has 13 volumes and not 12 as the original had. Of course, # volumes may not mean anything; they could have used larger print in the print edition of the Revised Edition, thus necessitating an additional volume. As best as I can tell, the Introductory Articles aren't included or repeated (even in revised form) anywhere in the Revised Edition set.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2013 7:39 PM

This is one of the reasons why I believe the old version will not go out of print, because the introductory articles sort of set it apart from the new revised version of the commentary.  Personally, I would add the new revised edition, but I think it's too expensive compared to the old one; hence, I'm so happy and content with my old version, which by the way, does have the introductory articles which are extremely helpful :-)

DAL

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, May 11 2013 8:00 PM

DAL:

This is one of the reasons why I believe the old version will not go out of print, because the introductory articles sort of set it apart from the new revised version of the commentary.  Personally, I would add the new revised edition, but I think it's too expensive compared to the old one; hence, I'm so happy and content with my old version, which by the way, does have the introductory articles which are extremely helpful :-)

DAL

Maybe an updated Introductory Articles volume will be included in the Third Edition, which we'll probably see in about 2030 Stick out tongue (which I won't have to worry about purchasing; of course, if they detect a market for it, they might do something like that sooner - money talks).

It's probably expecting/asking too much to think Zondervan/Logos might sell Volume 1 of the original edition as a stand-alone - but maybe they would as an add-on for owners or purchasers of the Revised Edition. Big Smile

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James Milne Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2013 3:43 AM

I compared the old and the new versions side by side in a book store and found little difference. This commentary set is the one I use most by far.

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2013 5:48 AM

James Milne Smith:

I compared the old and the new versions side by side in a book store and found little difference. This commentary set is the one I use most by far.

I trusted the advertising blurb re: how much had been revised:

"Now complete and available in a 13-volume set, this thoroughly revised edition of The Expositor's Bible Commentary includes the work of fifty-six contributors, thirty of whom are new." (Amazon.com)

but perhaps they're more duplicative than implied.

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Erwin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 12:09 AM

James

I am not sure which volumes you looked at but I can tell you that I have volumes 12 and 13 of the revised EBC and their counterpart volumes in the original edition. In Volume 12 (Ephesian to Philemon) only the book of Philemon has the same controbuter and Ruprecht's commentary on Philemon at first glance has been truly updated. In Volume 13 (Hebrews to Revelation) only Revelation has the same commentator (Johnson) and while his commentary is similiar to the old edition every other contributor is new. So in the last 2 volumes of the set from Ephesians to Revelation only Philemon and Revelation have the same contributor. I cannot comment on the updated material, but I do know that of the 9 contributors of the rest of the New Testament part of the set (Matthew - Galatians) 5 are new contributors. So just looking at the New Testament out of the 20 contributors 14 are new (that's over half). In the Old Testament there are 14 books with new contributors. Perhaps you only compared Volume 1 and Vol 3 where all the contributors were the same as in the old set. That said the new set has so much new material I don't think its fair to say that there is little difference between the two sets.

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James Milne Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 1:06 AM

You are probably right. I just looked at a few passages at random.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 3:48 PM

I have both and looking at Psalms it is fairly identical at spots and has some expansion here and there… Books like Gospel of john which was weak in the original have been completely replaced with a new work. I stated in another thread that I am not sure if it is worth the upgrade cost. But I do feel the EBC R is over all an improvement.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 3:53 PM

Dan Francis:

. But I do feel the EBC R is over all an improvement.

-Dan

I feel that $459.95 is too expensive for a revised version, when the original costs $129.  I'd probably pay $200 or $250 at the most (and that's pushing it), but over 400 that's in my opinion too much.  Plus, they took away the introductory articles which are very helpful.  

DAL

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 7:00 PM

The upgrade cost over at accordance pre release was only $250… I don't know what Logos' was or if one can upgrade now….

-Dan

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Eric Weiss | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 7:54 PM

Logos had an upgrade price for owners of the original. I paid $297.67 including 8.25% tax = $274.99 + tax. I got the original for $84.42 including tax as a Pradis user during the original promotion. So $382.09 including tax is reasonable for both.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 15 2013 7:59 PM

Dan Francis:

The upgrade cost over at accordance pre release was only $250… I don't know what Logos' was or if one can upgrade now….

-Dan

Maybe Logos can offer it for $250 on their May Saturday sales :-D I'd jump right in and take it from them in a heart beat...hehehe

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 3:18 PM

Is this commentary still worth the price (even with the March Madness discount) if you have the original set.  Will there be any further discounts if you own the original set?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 3:21 PM

John Brumett:

Is this commentary still worth the price (even with the March Madness discount) if you have the original set.  Will there be any further discounts if you own the original set?

Not to me, at least not anymore.

DAL

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Michael McLane | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 5:11 PM

John Brumett:

Is this commentary still worth the price (even with the March Madness discount) if you have the original set.  Will there be any further discounts if you own the original set?

when the deal goes live, I don't think you will get a better price on this for a longtime. I have been watching this set for years to pick it up. It never goes on sale. Not that I have ever noticed. When it does go live, it will be less than the pre-pub it seems.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 5:26 PM

Michael McLane:
when the deal goes live, I don't think you will get a better price on this for a longtime. I have been watching this set for years to pick it up. It never goes on sale. Not that I have ever noticed. When it does go live, it will be less than the pre-pub it seems.

Have you ever had a chance to compare it to the 1st ed.??

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 5:51 PM

Also, didn’t the volume on John by Andreas Kostenberger get removed for plagiarism? I guess people really forgot about this important detail when they voted, because this fact really takes away from the value of the set!

DAL

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 17 2018 6:24 PM

It says Mounce does John.

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