Charismatic Chaos

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Je Ko | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Mar 30 2011 3:46 PM

Why doesn't Logos offer the book in its format?  It would be helpful if the book is in Logos format because it has so much references and footnotes.  

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 30 2011 4:02 PM

Je Ko,

Please also submit the request to suggest@logos.com.  

Also, there is a forum for Suggestions .

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Giovanni Baggio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 30 2011 8:45 PM

It doesn't offer it because it would cause too much chaos...LOL...Stick out tongue

Yes here  you go, make your voice heard at: suggest@logos.com 

Hope it helps!

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 1:14 PM

I would purchase it. Yes

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Brian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 3:28 PM
I would love it!! Great treatment of the topic!
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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 3:40 PM

Unless you're just out to trash the movement and everyone in it, a more balanced approach can be found in "Strange Fire, Holy Fire: Exploring the Highs and Lows of Your Charismatic Experience" by Michael J. Klassen.  It's available in Vyrso for just under $6.

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Mike Pettit | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 4:01 PM

Its a great book and I found it very balanced

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 5:29 PM

Though they don't have his Charismatic Chaos, another book by John MacArthur on this topic that Logos does offer (a pre-order shipping ~ Q4 2013) is Strange Fire: The Danger of Offending the Holy Spirit with Counterfeit Worship. Likely to be mostly critical of the movement with little balance on the positive side, but likely to be similar to Charismatic Chaos for those who were asking for that.

Incidentally Charismatic Chaos only gets 3 1/2 stars (out of a possible 5) on Amazon.com. Strange Fire hasn't been released yet so there is no rating yet, but you can see a preview of it there.

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Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 6:52 PM

I agree with Alex. MacArthur's book is divisive. Try the book Alex suggested because it's never good to judge something by its abuse.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 7:09 PM

I love John MacArthur's teachings, been to his conferences, read many of his books, hear his audio sermons, bookmarked his websites, use his commentaries, etc...

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BUT, I disagree with his believe on Cessationism.

though I love "charismatic chaos" book.. his believe on faith healing is just too over the top.

makes some people "dry"

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jun 4 2013 9:13 PM

I wasnt aware that J. MacArthur is against Pentecostal/Charismatic. He will never get a penny from me again. Just not sure, does he answer Jesus' question how a demon can cast out a demon. If Pentecostal/Charismatics are of strange fire, then how could they cast out demons, which I witnessed a lot and saw lives changed. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 3:29 AM

K. Sholtess:
it's never good to judge something by its abuse.

Very true, but you also do not get adequate information by studying its supporters. For a full evaluation, you need both sides. Disclaimer: Have never read Charismatic Chaos, but did purchase Strange Fire, Holy Fire and pre-ordered the MacArthur book.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 4:09 AM

A very sane reply. Years ago when I was struggling through this, I read from both sides of the fence. You know, as a well-intentioned servant of God, MacArthur is no fool. Perhaps someone may conclude he is wrong some of the time, but many of his points may still be food for thought.

What I think though: in heaven there will be no section for charismatics, and there will be no block for cessationists. When we do get there, every non-essential element of our faith will drop away.

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 2:00 PM

Lee:

A very sane reply. Years ago when I was struggling through this, I read from both sides of the fence. You know, as a well-intentioned servant of God, MacArthur is no fool. Perhaps someone may conclude he is wrong some of the time, but many of his points may still be food for thought.

What I think though: in heaven there will be no section for charismatics, and there will be no block for cessationists. When we do get there, every non-essential element of our faith will drop away.

Peace, Lee!                                            Thank you!                                                                               *smile*

        .......    and we won't even need "Faith" any longer, eh???             *smile*

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 2:05 PM

K. Sholtess:

I agree with Alex. MacArthur's book is divisive. Try the book Alex suggested because it's never good to judge something by its abuse.

Peace to you!         *smile*            Just a gentle word ....        I don't quite think that Alex said MacArthur's book is divisive.     Guess I'll have to re-read his post.                                       He did use strong words, though; so perhaps that's what you are reflecting???

                                   (Just working and looking for a little "precision," eh???      *smile*)                       

                               (unless he edited his post and I didn't catch it.....)

edit - 5:14 p.m. Eastern Standard Time -

               I guess my real concern is that all of us remain positive and helpful in our sharing and communicating with each other.  *smile*

Just now I saw a typo of my own ...     I had typed 5:14 Easter Standard Time!             Well!             I guess that it IS that time also ...     until the END of TIME.              

                                      Blessings!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 5:54 PM

Milford Charles Murray:

 

        .......    and we won't even need "Faith" any longer, eh???             *smile*

How very apt! Big Smile

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Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 8:55 PM

  Thanks Milford, point well taken! I was probably reading into what Alex said. Sorry about that. Ok rather than getting into theology now, I'll just say that I know a lot of charismatics who don't do some of the extreme weird things mentioned in the book. In fact, the majority I know don't.

  You know what, Milford? I really appreciate your voice of peace and love often expressed on this forum. Please keep going!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 5 2013 9:13 PM

K. Sholtess:
You know what, Milford? I really appreciate your voice of peace and love often expressed on this forum. Please keep going!

Me too, Milford.   *smile*

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Paul Chatfield | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 6 2013 4:20 AM

I'd like to raise my hand in support of this idea ... oh, hang on, that's probably not the appropriate response ...

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2013 3:52 PM

My pastor isn't a fan of MacArthur because of his views on Pentecostal/Charismatic beliefs. Not sure if that's a reason to avoid him.

MacArthur has had a profound influence on me and a role model for my study. My first Logos disc was the MacArthur package.

MacArthur doesn't use a computer. I'm wondering if someone will make that into a theological straw man. 

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