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Lionel B Dyck | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, May 10 2011 10:30 AM

Is it possible, or planned, to be able to change text within a book. 

For example, I would like to change my ESV text where doulos is translated as something other than slave so the text says slave.

I can believe that there may be other times where I would prefer the english translation to be a different word that more accurately reflects the original language.

Thanks

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 10 2011 10:43 AM

Yes. You can do this by creating a by creating a custom highlight and then applying that as a visual filter to find all occurrences of you word.

 

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Lionel B Dyck | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 10 2011 10:48 AM

I like it - thanks very much

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 8:17 AM

Lionel and Fred!            *smile*

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                                                                              Always Joy in the Lord!

I am quite intrigued by this possibility but am unsure whether or not I want to proceed and to invest the time needed             ----               perhaps I'm not quite as energetic and enthusiastic as you ??

                    So, would one of you be willing, please, to post a screenshot, preferably "before" and "after" to demonstrate how this would actually look?

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 8:22 AM

Milford Charles Murray:
So, would one of you be willing, please, to post a screenshot, preferably "before" and "after" to demonstrate how this would actually look?

One example (changing LORD to Yahweh) can be found in the wiki, here:

http://wiki.logos.com/Custom_Highlighting$3a_Orig_Lang._%28for_Visual_Filters%29

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 8:28 AM

Richard!          *smile*

         Peace and Every Blessing to you as you Celebrate the Lord's Day out there on the West Coast of our continent!

                          Thank you for the reference.  I'm a bit "startled" that one could actually change a text.

Somehow, the text seems a bit too sacrosanct to me to change it ....    However!  I'm going to investigate, and I am thankful!               *smile*

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Lionel B Dyck | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 8:44 AM

Upon further reflection this isn't the best solution as a search will not find the new word As for why, the reason is that in some cases the English translation did not use the best word (e.g. Servant or bond-servant is not the same as slave)

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 8:49 AM

Milford Charles Murray:

Thank you for the reference.  I'm a bit "startled" that one could actually change a text. Somehow, the text seems a bit too sacrosanct to me to change it ....

Yes, I feel somewhat the same way. What is possible, isn't always what's best.

I have a different strategy with these types of things (e.g 'sinful nature' for 'flesh' in the NIV): I simply highlight such words with a unique visual filter (applied to the underlying Greek of a reverse interlinear), without actually changing the text.

 Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 9:51 AM

Richard DeRuiter:
I have a different strategy with these types of things (e.g 'sinful nature' for 'flesh' in the NIV): I simply highlight such words with a unique visual filter (applied to the underlying Greek of a reverse interlinear), without actually changing the text.

Yes, that's exactly what I do to see the different Hebrew and Greek words in my version of ESV. It works perfect, I like it very much.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 10:35 AM

Lionel B Dyck:

Is it possible, or planned, to be able to change text within a book. 

For example, I would like to change my ESV text where doulos is translated as something other than slave so the text says slave.

I can believe that there may be other times where I would prefer the english translation to be a different word that more accurately reflects the original language.

Thanks

Changing doulous to slave and LORD-->Yahweh were the main reasons behind my original idea to create this visual filter: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/16999.aspx

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 10:38 AM

Milford Charles Murray:

Somehow, the text seems a bit too sacrosanct to me to change it ....    However!  I'm going to investigate, and I am thankful!               *smile*

You aren't actually changing the text, just applying a visual filter to it ;-). 

Whenever I have a visual filter apply a "change" to the text, I format my visual filter in such a way that I can see what the translation originally said. I am not changing the words of the BIble at all, actually helping myself get closer to the original by changing the way things look in English

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 10:42 AM

Lionel B Dyck:

Upon further reflection this isn't the best solution as a search will not find the new word As for why, the reason is that in some cases the English translation did not use the best word (e.g. Servant or bond-servant is not the same as slave)

I hardly think it a good idea to go around modifying books, even if you could.  Then it would no longer be the same book.  One other thing that puzzles me is why so many seem eager to become slaves.  The word δοῦλος in in Greek may have been used of those who were slaves, but it was also used of high-ranking officials in the service of the ruler.  It might in some cases be rendered "ambassador."  There really is no need to attempt to make one's self as insignificant as possible.  

Revelation 1:6 (NRSV)

6 and made us to be a kingdom, priests serving his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

I recall very clearly Colin Powell's comment when asked about whether he would remain as Secretary of State.  He said "I serve at the pleasure of the President."  It is an honorable position and not to be demeaned.

 

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 10:44 AM

Peace, Jacob!

                             *smile*

                                                      Now we're talking!   Yes!  Exactly what I'm interested in!

Then it becomes like a "very personal commentary" on the text!

             Thanks for your post...........

                                If it's not too difficult for you, I'd love to seen a screenshot.  Tomorrow or next week is fine.  Not urgent............              Today is The Lord's Day, eh?      (For all those who don't use that phrase or terminology, I recognise that EVERY day is the Lord's Day.)          *smile*

              Always Joy in the Lord!

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 10:58 AM

George Somsel:

One other thing that puzzles me is why so many seem eager to become slaves. 

We're all slaves to someone/something (c.f. Rom 6). I was bought for a price by a self-giving, gracious Master, who in doing so freed me from my previous slavery to sin, enslaving me now to righteousness and to Him. What a privilege to be the slave of the King of Kings...and then not only did He free me from the tyranny of sin, but I was adopted as a son. 

George, I strongly recommend MacArthur's book, Slavehttp://amzn.to/macSlave  I hope that it gets made available in Logos very soon.

 

George Somsel:

 The word δοῦλος in in Greek may have been used of those who were slaves, but it was also used of high-ranking officials in the service of the ruler.  It might in some cases be rendered "ambassador."  

Run this word study: logos4:Guide;t=Bible_Word_Study;lemma=lbs$2Fel$2F$CE$B4$CE$BF$E1$BF$A6$CE$BB$CE$BF$CF$82;wn=gnt$2F85702

Look in your lexicons (BDAG for example: logosres:bdag;hw=$CE$B4$CE$BF$CF$85$CD$82$CE$BB$CE$BF$CF$82;off=374)

Kittel states clearly: "All the words in this group serve either to describe the status of a slave or an attitude corresponding to that of a slave." logosres:tdnt;ref=TDNT.Vol._2,_Pg._261;off=-1

You will see that although most English translations using the word servant or bondservant, this translation doesn't do justice to the real meaning of the word.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 11:01 AM

George Somsel:

There really is no need to attempt to make one's self as insignificant as possible.  

"Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant slave, being born in the likeness of men." Phil 2:4-7

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 11:23 AM

Jacob Hantla:

Look in your lexicons (BDAG for example: logosres:bdag;hw=$CE$B4$CE$BF$CF$85$CD$82$CE$BB$CE$BF$CF$82;off=374)

Kittel states clearly: "All the words in this group serve either to describe the status of a slave or an attitude corresponding to that of a slave." logosres:tdnt;ref=TDNT.Vol._2,_Pg._261;off=-1

You will see that although most English translations using the word servant or bondservant, this translation doesn't do justice to the real meaning of the word.

2 Kings 18:16–25 (NRSV)

16 At that time Hezekiah stripped the gold from the doors of the temple of the Lord, and from the doorposts that King Hezekiah of Judah had overlaid and gave it to the king of Assyria. 17 The king of Assyria sent the Tartan, the Rabsaris, and the Rabshakeh with a great army from Lachish to King Hezekiah at Jerusalem. They went up and came to Jerusalem. When they arrived, they came and stood by the conduit of the upper pool, which is on the highway to the Fuller’s Field. 18 When they called for the king, there came out to them Eliakim son of Hilkiah, who was in charge of the palace, and Shebnah the secretary, and Joah son of Asaph, the recorder.

19 The Rabshakeh said to them, “Say to Hezekiah: Thus says the great king, the king of Assyria: On what do you base this confidence of yours? 20 Do you think that mere words are strategy and power for war? On whom do you now rely, that you have rebelled against me? 21 See, you are relying now on Egypt, that broken reed of a staff, which will pierce the hand of anyone who leans on it. Such is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all who rely on him. 22 But if you say to me, ‘We rely on the Lord our God,’ is it not he whose high places and altars Hezekiah has removed, saying to Judah and to Jerusalem, ‘You shall worship before this altar in Jerusalem’? 23 Come now, make a wager with my master the king of Assyria: I will give you two thousand horses, if you are able on your part to set riders on them. 24 How then can you repulse a single captain among the least of my master’s servants, when you rely on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen? 25 Moreover, is it without the Lord that I have come up against this place to destroy it? The Lord said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.”

 

The servant speaks in the name of his master and is not a lowly figure, but one of honor.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, May 15 2011 11:28 AM

Milford Charles Murray:

Peace, Jacob!

                             *smile*

                                                      Now we're talking!   Yes!  Exactly what I'm interested in!

Then it becomes like a "very personal commentary" on the text!

             Thanks for your post...........

                                If it's not too difficult for you, I'd love to seen a screenshot.  Tomorrow or next week is fine.  Not urgent............              Today is The Lord's Day, eh?      (For all those who don't use that phrase or terminology, I recognise that EVERY day is the Lord's Day.)          *smile*

              Always Joy in the Lord!

No need to apologize for using "the Lord's Day."  It was on the Lord's Day that we are told that the revelation on Patmos took place.  St Ignatius noted in his epistle to the Magnesians (9)

"9. If, then, those who had lived in antiquated practices came to newness of hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath but living in accordance with the Lord’s day, on which our life also arose through him and his death (which some deny), the mystery through which we came to believe, and because of which we patiently endure, in order that we might be found to be disciples of Jesus Christ, our only teacher, (2) how can we possibly live without him, whom even the prophets, who were his disciples in the Spirit, were expecting as their teacher? Because of this he for whom they rightly waited raised them from the dead when he came."

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 16 2011 8:11 PM

George!        *smile*

              Thank you for that St.Ignatius quote.  Appreciate it!

Now to see if I can find it using Logos4 search, so that I can put a pleasant highlight there...........

Peace!

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 16 2011 8:18 PM

Found it!          Not once, but twice!          *smile*      Thanks again!  Now to study it!

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 17 2011 8:12 AM

Milford Charles Murray:
Found it!          Not once, but twice!          *smile*      Thanks again!  Now to study it!

Greetings Milford. I am just preaching a series on the Decalogue and right now I am at 4th Commandment, so I like your discussion with George. SmileYes

Bohuslav

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