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Andrew Stewart | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jun 1 2011 11:54 AM

Bob said in the that:

"eBooks sold at Vyrso.com are different from the Logos Editions at Logos.com in that they are created by the publishers (as EPUB format eBooks), not by Logos." 

(see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/33789/253169.aspx#253169 )

 

I bought Love & Respect from Vyrso.com and I see that it is not tagged with any subjects:

 

When I search for Eph 5:33, the search returns hits from Love & Respect:

 

Is the search pulling back those references without the resource having been tagged with Bible verse metadata?  Did Thomas Nelson tag the resource with bible verses?  (is that even possible in the EPUB format?)

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 2:23 PM

Andrew - 

If I understand correctly, you are receiving search results for a quote "Ephesians 5:33" and not for a particular topic, i.e. "respect in marriage." When you add Vyrso books to Logos, they are indexed along with other resources. So if you search for "Many Christian spouses know" you will get a hit from chapter two of your book.

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Andrew Stewart:

Is the search pulling back those references without the resource having been tagged with Bible verse metadata?  Did Thomas Nelson tag the resource with bible verses?  (is that even possible in the EPUB format?)

The resource metadata (what you see in the Library Catalog) will be limited to what is contained in the publisher's EPUB file.

When the EPUBs are converted to Logos eBooks, an automated process detects the Bible references and adds the appropriate tagging; this tagging allows you to click a link to open your preferred Bible, search for Bible references in the books, etc. (and is an enhancement over standard EPUBs and many other eBook formats).

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Andrew Stewart | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 1 2011 5:58 PM

Bradley Grainger:

The resource metadata (what you see in the Library Catalog) will be limited to what is contained in the publisher's EPUB file.

When the EPUBs are converted to Logos eBooks, an automated process detects the Bible references and adds the appropriate tagging; this tagging allows you to click a link to open your preferred Bible, search for Bible references in the books, etc. (and is an enhancement over standard EPUBs and many other eBook formats).

 

Thanks for the explanation!  That automated tagging of Bible references could make the difference of why I might pay a few dollars extra for a Vyrso book over some other type of eBook.

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TomB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 6:23 AM

Andrew Stewart:

 

Thanks for the explanation!  That automated tagging of Bible references could make the difference of why I might pay a few dollars extra for a Vyrso book over some other type of eBook.

Me too, but only a couple of dollars more...

It would be worth far more if I could export a whole book to my nook and read it on the go without an internet connection.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 6:55 AM

If Logos were able to give us both the ePub and the logos4 version of the file (both licensed for personal use only), Vyrso would be even more appealing to those with Nooks and Kindles. Any chance that might be possible?

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TomB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 11:45 AM

Mark Barnes:

If Logos were able to give us both the ePub and the logos4 version of the file (both licensed for personal use only), Vyrso would be even more appealing to those with Nooks and Kindles. Any chance that might be possible?

EPub would be great but I would settle for PDF too. Both are widely accepted formats that are supported on several devices.

Logos could employ adobe digital editions to manage the file transfers the publishers seem comfortable with this. They (the publishers) allow users to use adobe to borrow books from the library and to transfer books from Sony to nook and nook to Sony. So Logos could get in on the action and let adobe do the heavy lifting as far as managing the digital rights. This would also allow us to read the books on a much larger number of devices.

What are you waiting for Logos?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 11:46 AM

TomB:

Mark Barnes:

If Logos were able to give us both the ePub and the logos4 version of the file (both licensed for personal use only), Vyrso would be even more appealing to those with Nooks and Kindles. Any chance that might be possible?

EPub would be great but I would settle for PDF too. Both are widely accepted formats that are supported on several devices.

I suggested ePub because Logos are using ePub files as source documents for Vyrso books. So the ePubs already exist.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 12:59 PM

Mark Barnes:
I suggested ePub because Logos are using ePub files as source documents for Vyrso books. So the ePubs already exist.

ePub would be great but I doubt Logos would make it available because of the theft risk.

Bohuslav

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 10 2011 1:35 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Pub would be great but I doubt Logos would make it available because of the theft risk.

ePubs usually are DRMd when sold commercially.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 12:40 PM

Mark Barnes:
If Logos were able to give us both the ePub and the logos4 version of the file (both licensed for personal use only), Vyrso would be even more appealing to those with Nooks and Kindles. Any chance that might be possible?


I had the same thought, I'd be surprised if it hasn't been discussed internally, from a end users point of view it would be great in terms of device choice.

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TomB | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 12 2011 12:52 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Mark Barnes:
I suggested ePub because Logos are using ePub files as source documents for Vyrso books. So the ePubs already exist.

ePub would be great but I doubt Logos would make it available because of the theft risk.

Logos books are actually less secure than most other ebooks because Logos lets you export part of the book and print it.  One could print it to PDF then use a converter to smash together the two or three files, needed to get around the export limits Logos sets, and then convert that file to an Epub. All one would need is a Logos account, Cute PDF, and Calebre ebook software (the last two are even available for free).

If Logos used adobe digital editions to secure the epubs (just as public libraries do) there would be no need to go through all the time and effort of the conversion. Or they could use DRM (Digital Rights Management) just as Barnes and Noble, Sony, Borders, Amazon, ect do.

What ever they do it would great to be able to read my books on my nook without so much effort.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 13 2011 2:50 AM

Mark Barnes:

Bohuslav Wojnar:
Pub would be great but I doubt Logos would make it available because of the theft risk.

ePubs usually are DRMd when sold commercially.

Thank you for that information. I did not realize that.

TomB:

If Logos used adobe digital editions to secure the epubs (just as public libraries do) there would be no need to go through all the time and effort of the conversion. Or they could use DRM (Digital Rights Management) just as Barnes and Noble, Sony, Borders, Amazon, ect do.

What ever they do it would great to be able to read my books on my nook without so much effort.

Sounds reasonable to me. Great ideas. Thank you. Yes

Bohuslav

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