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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:30 AM

All I can say is I  love Logos, I look forward to future enhancements, am glad I have invested so heavily in them, and have no desire to try any other company. Whatever name you need to call me in light of that, please feel free.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:47 AM

Halo Hound:
Whatever name you need to call me in light of that, please feel free.

Evil-halo-hound-from-Hell.

Robert Pavich

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:52 AM

Robert Pavich:
Evil-halo-hound-from-Hell.
Way to make us proud.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 11:53 AM

Robert Pavich:

Halo Hound:
Whatever name you need to call me in light of that, please feel free.

Evil-halo-hound-from-Hell.

Who can argue with alliteration :-)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:07 PM

Thankful for Logos Bible Study software with amazing capabilities, including expanding library resources.

Thankful for Logos, the company, especially a CEO who cares to communicate with customers and requests their feedback.  Likewise Thankful for forum interaction with Logos application developers and resource authors.  Thankful for many friendly forum discussions about how to use Logos Bible Software.

Especially Thankful for the Living Logos with Abba and Holy Spirit.

Chris Thompson:

 

Robert Pavich:
Or another possibilty is that we agree with whatever statement Bob P has made

 WE? Who, Pray tell, are the others in your WE. Are they also dogs with halos?, Or dogs with stars? Other kiss-ups trying to obtain a star? All of the above? Stick out tongue

Apologies: my avatar does not include dogs, does include a natural circumzenithal arc (rainbow smile in the sky above):

Thankful for Logos invitation to become a MVP in response to many helpful forum posts using Logos Bible Software.  Personally like MVP = Many Volunteer Posts.

Halo Hound:

All I can say is I  love Logos, I look forward to future enhancements, am glad I have invested so heavily in them, and have no desire to try any other company. Whatever name you need to call me in light of that, please feel free.

Humble Halo Hound ?

Keep Smiling Smile

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:23 PM

Chris Thompson:
Bohuslav Wojnar:
Yes, me. Do you have problem with it?
I had a bit of a problem seeing your halo...My Bad.

Chris, I don't take your joke. IMHO you crossed the line. The way you responded to Robert was anything but something I would call Christian. I tried to help you to see Robert was right in saying "we". I thought you will apologize but you just joke. OK. English is not my first nor the second language, so I  might say  something not the way I should. I apologize for that in advance.

In more than 30 years of my ministry, large part of it I did in the persecution environment, as part of the underground church movement. Now we try to help Christians who live in less advantageous parts of the world where our brothers and sisters still pay the highest price for being able to study Bible, to participate in the Christian life. Just few days ago one of my highly respected friend, key minister in a less privileged country has been kidnapped. We don't know where he is so far. I am saying all of this just to give you a chance how your words look like in some other perspective. What are we talking here about? Our preferred Bible software? Do we need to use so strong words in that matter? Do we need to accuse motives of other people?

I have no clue what is the status of the word "kiss-ups" in English. In our language it would be very rude and vulgar (meaning exactly what George described in his post). You can call me that way if you feel better but I want you to know I have had a number of occasions I needed to stand up for truth in the situations I had to pay a heavy price for that. I am nobodies fun just to flatter or gain anything.

I like Logos and am thankful to God for it (I still remember time of having no study materials under the communist regime), I like Bob Pritchet's business plan and over-all philosophy, I agree with his strategic plans, but... I have many things I would like to see in Logos (like many more non-English Bibles). I will communicate those wishes wherever it is appropriate but in this thread Bob presented his big-picture-philosophy I happen to agree with wholeheartedly. Is it a problem to express it? Who made you judge of the motives of other people you don't even know?

If I misunderstood you, I will gladly apologize. I know my English is a barrier to me and it might cause a misunderstanding.

Bohuslav

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:38 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
If I misunderstood you, I will gladly apologize. I know my English is a barrier to me and it might cause a misunderstanding.

Bohuslav, as someone who understands English very well, I wish to assure you that you are on target.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:43 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
In more than 30 years of my ministry, large part of it I did in the persecution environment, as part of the underground church movement.

Thank you for your labor of love for our Lord. it is both humbling and encouraging.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 12:53 PM

Bohuslav, I personally don't think K/U is a good word to use, and it offends unnecessarily. I suspect it was used simply to keep the thread going.

I think it was Chris that pointed out there's an odd behavior on the Logos forum that needs to 'whack-a-Christian' (I assume most forum participants subscribe to that belief). It doesn't appear to matter whether the whackee said a bad word (although that usually helps). The only requirement is that the whackee might have not been sufficiently positive to the whacker appreciation for the software.

On another thread, I was attempting to support a CP resource and get it over the 100% (Apostolic Dictionary which everyone should sign up for by the way!). But sure enough, I got a nice whacking when apparently the whacker didn't read too closely. Did it merit a whack-apology? Nope. Am  I worried? Nope again.

I'd assume, absent any Logos involvement, that Chris can probably keep this thread going for some time, simply by saying something not so kind, and thereby deserving another whack.


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Mark W. Gaither | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:02 PM

My profound apologies to Bob.

This is my first foray into the Logos forum and, to be frank, I am dismayed by the experience.

Sorry, Bob. I had no idea.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:09 PM

DMB:
Bohuslav, I personally don't think K/U is a good word to use, and it offends unnecessarily.

Am I offended? No. Am I sad we see this kind of discussion on Logos forums? YES. Sad

Bohuslav

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:14 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:
If I misunderstood you, I will gladly apologize. I know my English is a barrier to me and it might cause a misunderstanding.
I have to believe that you DO misunderstand me.... But I do not require an apology. We have two issues working against us. The language barrier does enter into it. The other thing is that we don't see eye to eye about constructive criticism. Whenever someone brings up an issue they feel needs attention, There is an element of the forums that gets their feathers ruffled. They think it crosses a line, and the person objecting is not a Christian. That group piles on the protester. They feel they need to defend Bob's honor. Why not let him speak for himself?

My heart goes out to you and your friend...everyone that situation affects. I have always hated injustice...wherever I see it. This whole conversation began over what I considered to be injustice. I stood up for what I believe. (as you say you have often done) The price for speaking up is enduring the wrath of "Bob's Vicars". Bob has long ago apologized, but the debate has now evolved into the question of whether or not one has the right to speak  his mind. I believe they do. I will continue to speak when I feel the need. But for today, I will digress and let someone else have the floor. ...God Bless

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Chris Thompson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:26 PM

Mark W. Gaither:
My profound apologies to Bob.

Well, I was going to leave... This is a perfect example.Could it be the only reason Mark is sorry is that he hasn't found a way to get Logos to sell his book? Maybe standing up for Bob might just be what's needed to start the ball rolling? I suggest Bob check out other forums and see what Mark really thinks of him.

 

Now I Really am done.....Have  Great day.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:33 PM

Chris Thompson:
I will continue to speak when I feel the need.

If you understood me that I am against the free speech, I apologize. That was not what I meant. We are free to speak. But we have to remember our words are evaluated by others... For me that is a sobering fact. Not even speaking about the Scriptures like Matthew 12:36-37...

Bohuslav

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:42 PM

Chris Thompson:

Mark W. Gaither:
My profound apologies to Bob.

Well, I was going to leave... This is a perfect example.Could it be the only reason Mark is sorry is that he hasn't found a way to get Logos to sell his book? Maybe standing up for Bob might just be what's needed to start the ball rolling? I suggest Bob check out other forums and see what Mark really thinks of him.

 

Now I Really am done.....Have  Great day.

I really do think that was unworthy.  Why must someone be seeking some benefit simply because he apologizes for unforseen consequences of something he said or did?  It would appear that if someone doesn't agree with you then he is a kiss-up.  Perhaps you are simply being contentious.  Personally I don't think Bob said anything which wasn't absolutely correct.  Are Protestants a contentious lot who will split at the drop of a hat?  I think that is a well-known fact.  Why should he be pilloried for saying so?  Obviously I'm not a kiss-up.  If someone doesn't agree with me, that's his privilege, but I'm not going to cut my jib simply to please anyone.  That may be one reason I don't have a star under my icon nor have I been asked to take the position.  I would likely decline if it were offered since I ruffle too many feathers.

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:47 PM

Mark W. Gaither:

My profound apologies to Bob.

This is my first foray into the Logos forum and, to be frank, I am dismayed by the experience.

Sorry, Bob. I had no idea.

Dear Mark,

I just wanted to say that although I share your dismay regarding this thread, it is unrepresentative of the general discussions found on this forum.

It seems to me that the forum in general has been under attack by trolls (perhaps just one or two individuals using different user accounts). Unfortunately, they have gravitated to posts like this one (no doubt sensing controversy).

The absence of an avatar, biography and a low post count is, in many cases, most telling. The few posts that they do have to their account are universally negative and critical.

For what it is worth, I am truly sorry that your experience has been negative, but wanted to assure you that there are many people who participate in the forums with the sole intention of helping others study the Scriptures and grow in their knowledge of Him.

I hope you stick around as I am sure your participation would be a true blessing to many.

God bless,

Andy

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:54 PM

Yes, George, you are definitely no K/U. And that's one major reason why I highly value your opinions (even on learning original languages without the crutches of interlinears!).

In a similar fashion, the three Davids and the two Marks plus our two northwest ladies too.


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Mark W. Gaither | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 1:59 PM

Andy Evans:

I hope you stick around ...

I'm all for straight talk. I stand by the substance of my comments, but had I seen how personal and nasty a thread can become, I would have been less harsh with my criticism.

The standards remain high for president because his words carry so much weight, and as an official voice for the company, it's crucial he communicate in a manner that reduces the potential for misunderstanding. That said, however, I can appreciate the humanity of his outburst even as I suggest he be more temperate in his postings.

Regardless, I will probably lurk more than contribute, simply because I have more to learn than teach--at least as far as the deeper technical aspects of Logos are concerned.

 

 

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:08 PM

Mark W. Gaither:

Andy Evans:

I hope you stick around ...

Regardless, will probably lurk more than contribute, simply because I have more to learn than teach--at least as far as the deeper technical aspects of Logos are concerned.

To be honest, I too am something of a newbie and still trying to get to grips with the software. As such, I tend to spend much of my time lurking (in a decidedly non-sinister and non-threatening way, you understand). Big Smile

Seriously glad to hear that you will be sticking around.

God bless.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 11 2011 2:11 PM

Halo Hound:
Thank you for your labor of love for our Lord. it is both humbling and encouraging.

I would like to echo this sentiment.

Living in America and having the abundance of bibles and bible study material available anytime I need it... it's easy to forget what our brothers and sisters go through in other countries...and what they have to go through to get what we take for granted every day.

 

Thank you Bohuslav, thank you...God bless your efforts.

Robert Pavich

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