B.C. versus B.C.E.

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Cliff C. Walling | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Jul 19 2011 9:17 PM

I don't know if any Logos buyers have noticed this or maybe I'm the last to see it.  But recently I noticed on my Logos Software Images (those drawings, which are very good by the way) have B.C.E. on them as a date referance.  Why did Logos a Biblical Software company, not use B.C. (Before Christ) ?  I was disappointed to say the least.  Maybe there is a rational explanation.  I can't think of any reason right now,  to leave the Lord Jesus Christ out of a historical time marker.

 

After all is time as we know it,  separated into 2 divisions, because of the very fact that God came to earth in the flesh as man right? Somebody give me an Amen? I realize the calendar is off a few years, but still............

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 19 2011 9:51 PM

I would hope the forum's a little exhausted from arguing about these things. It's been refreshingly pleasant, reading about ways to recover from lost collections, etc.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 19 2011 10:36 PM

Cliff Walling:
have B.C.E. on them

Hi Cliff,

I have recently noticed B.C.E. described as "Before Christian Era" on Christian websites.  Technically Christ was before creation, so "Christian Era" is more literal.

It really does not matter if the world tries to write God out of the picture. It does not change his sovereignty.  It could be for continuity of academic works, reference works or possibly the original publisher's printing.  I would not be quick to take issue with Logos over this one.

But I will give you an 'Amen" brother! Regardless of what anyone says the initials stand for it is still "His-story" and it will all focus on him in the end. Big Smile

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 19 2011 10:45 PM

DMB:
I would hope the forum's a little exhausted from arguing about these things.

Yes

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 12:03 AM

I would see it as just practical, more generic description that works for both, Christians and Jews. Logos has resources for both groups. I have no problem with that.

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Rev. Wayne Paul Barrett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:12 AM

C.E. stand for "Common Era". B.C.E. stands for "Before Common Era". Both are commonly accepted scholarly terms, and as previously mentioned, acceptable to Jews, Christians, and others. Logos serves a diverse audience, most of which needs to operate within common and current academic standards. No disrespect or theological muddiness is intended.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:27 AM

I used to get bent up over this but realized what the terms actually meant and just don't worry about it...it amounts to the same thing.

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Bob Pritchett | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 8:14 AM

Most of the content available from Logos comes from publishers. We don't re-edit content we license from publishers, so the use of BC/AD or BCE/CE is the author or publisher's, not ours.

As far as I know, all Logos-created content (and our style guide) is BC/AD.

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Cliff C. Walling | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 12:58 PM

Thanks Bob for your reply, and I ask for forgiveness in stirring up this hornet's nest.  As I said I did not know if this had been discussed previously.  In my own opinion, the BCE and BC titles wherever they come from, allow the enemy to  get a foot in the door to keep Christ and His people out of the world.  Even a small thing like this can start a complete elimination of Christian History.  Let's keep a close discerning eye on this, and be on our guard.  Thank You to all the postings on this forum.  I sincerely appreciate all of the responses, they have been enlightening and educating for me.  Thanks again and May God bless you all.

 

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 2:12 PM

Cliff Walling:
Thanks Bob for your reply

Thank you Cliff, for posting and asking the question. Coffee I had noticed the issue, and wondered about it.  I just never asked.  Now we know.

I hope you keep posting.

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Michael Anda | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 5:23 PM

Bob Pritchett:

Most of the content available from Logos comes from publishers. We don't re-edit content we license from publishers, so the use of BC/AD or BCE/CE is the author or publisher's, not ours.

As far as I know, all Logos-created content (and our style guide) is BC/AD.

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It would be REALLY cool to be able to set a preference for either style.

 

 

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 5:45 PM

Michael Anda:

It would be REALLY cool to be able to set a preference for either style.

For academic papers one needs to quote the text as it is printed not as one wishes it was printed. This feature might be "cool" but it would be a trap that I'd hate to see Logos build.

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tom | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 4:15 AM

DMB:

I would hope the forum's a little exhausted from arguing about these things. It's been refreshingly pleasant, reading about ways to recover from lost collections, etc.

Yes

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 6:49 PM

DMB:
I would hope the forum's a little exhausted from arguing about these things.

I would hope...no actually I do hope that when the admins delete posts, they would use more discernment and separate the ad hominem gain-sayers from persons making legitimate points. I made a couple of replies to DMB noting the irony of disparaging arguing while adding an argument (in anticipation of an argument that hadn't even started yet!). I was not debating theology. My second reply was satirical in nature, having a little fun with those who use posts about the lack of their favorite resources as back-door theological arguments. Maybe someone who saw themselves in the satire reported it as abuse?

I don't consider the removal of my replies as a violation of rights; I have none; I don't own these servers. However, I thought the removal of the replies was very tacky and inconsiderate.

In a sense, those who removed, or suggested removal, of the replies were taking part in the argument by their choice of whom to remove or not remove.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 7:23 PM

First, Robert, at least for me, I wasn't particularly offended; your point was valid. On another thread today, I raised a point to which someone could question me prematurely (or not).

But are you sure the responses were actually deleted? In another thread the Logos penguin-guy said they were re-indexing the database. This thread sounds like it  lost much of its comments in the re-indexing. That's my guess anyway.

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Bill Coley | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 8:34 PM

DMB:
But are you sure the responses were actually deleted? In another thread the Logos penguin-guy said they were re-indexing the database. This thread sounds like it  lost much of its comments in the re-indexing. That's my guess anyway.

 

I hope you're right about the effects of the indexing.

My only comment on this thread is no longer here. That's not a big loss to the thread, for sure, but what I wrote was in no way a personal attack. If Logos has decided more actively to remove posts it deems unacceptable, that's its right; but I think someone should post a statement from the company indicating the new rigor of standards enforcement.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 8:47 PM

it would be very un-logos-like to have removed a page of posts. It is much more likely that the server hiccuped.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 8:49 PM

MJ. Smith:

it would be very un-logos-like to have removed a page of posts. It is much more likely that the server hiccuped.

Possible, but wouldn't it be a much simpler matter to remove all posts beyond a certain point rather than pick and choose?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jul 22 2011 8:53 PM

George Somsel:
Possible, but wouldn't it be a much simpler matter to remove all posts beyond a certain point rather than pick and choose?

That would depend upon the structure in which the data is stored. In the forum software products that I am most familiar with, it would be easier to pick and choose as the administrative posting functions apply to individuals posts.

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