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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 20 2011 2:11 PM
I have had multiple problems with pc’s the last six months and so I am considering Mac again.
My three major hesitations with Mac are:
1. The cost
2. Logos4 running slow on Mac
3. I need MS Publisher for the church bulletin
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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 2:51 PM

Steve Clevenger:
I have had multiple problems with pc’s the last six months and so I am considering Mac again.
My three major hesitations with Mac are:
1. The cost
2. Logos4 running slow on Mac
3. I need MS Publisher for the church bulletin

Steve - 

First, let me suggest that you take a look at the new (just released today) Mac Mini starting at $600. You can also search the internet for "refurbished" or old stock models. You will need to supply USB/Blutooth keyboard & mouse plus a display. 

I wish I could talk you out of MS Publisher for the church bulletin. I think that Pages ($20 Mac App Store) would be a good alternative. Of course, I believe that the Bulletin should ideally be created using a professional layout program such as Adobe InDesign. If you want to talk about design, let me know Smile

I can't help you with number 2 - I don't have any experience with Logos 4 PC. I have heard that things are improving with 4.3 to be released "soon."

 

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Steve Hultquist | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 2:55 PM

Steve Clevenger:
I have had multiple problems with pc’s the last six months and so I am considering Mac again.
My three major hesitations with Mac are:
1. The cost
2. Logos4 running slow on Mac
3. I need MS Publisher for the church bulletin

I have long since given up on Windows as a primary OS. Although I still run it as a guest for those rare Windows-only things, I find that my Macs are both faster and more reliable than any Windows PC.

If you compare a high-quality PC of comparable design and specs to a Mac, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I admit that it is much easier to find a compromised design PC for less money, but I do not think you can get as much value. Just being able to step into an Apple store for service at any time is an incredible value.

Logos on my Macs (MacBook Pro 2010 and Mac Pro 2008) runs very well. I give them lots of RAM (8GB and 10GB) and run the MacBook Pro with an SSD (highly recommended on any PC these days).

Consider Pages? Or just run Publisher under Windows.

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 3:59 PM

Steve,

What size SSD are you using?

How does the 7200rpm HDD run?

 

Thanks

 

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 4:39 PM

Steve Clevenger:
1. The cost

I think that you will find 'total cost of ownership' comparisons quite favourable. And then there is the time you will save not running/updating loads of mall wear and antivirus software. About the only program I use that requires that I restart the mac occassionally  is Logos :-(

Steve Clevenger:
2. Logos4 running slow on Mac

You may be unlucky (or if you have lots of linked windows all updating at the same time) but most of us find L4Mac ok for most things we want to do. A new version is due for release very soon which we are told includes a number of performance tweaks.

Steve Clevenger:
3. I need MS Publisher for the church bulletin

You have my utmost sympathy. It looks like you will have to install windows on your new mac for this. What a shame.

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stutzmas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:01 PM

I hate to ask here. But I just got Logos and am still learning the outs and ins. It's a great program. But I've noticed that it runs pretty slowly on my laptop.

I've been looking at a newer laptop and have considered getting a Mac. However, would I be able to change my Logos from PC to Mac or would I have to rebuy? (which I would never do and too expensive since I have the platinum) I dont know where else to find the answer to this question. Thanks.

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MJD | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:13 PM

Mike Binks:

Steve Clevenger:
2. Logos4 running slow on Mac

You may be unlucky (or if you have lots of linked windows all updating at the same time) but most of us find L4Mac ok for most things we want to do. A new version is due for release very soon which we are told includes a number of performance tweaks.

 

If you search the forum there are many people constantly complaining the L4 on Mac is VERY SLOW!  I personally have 5 Mac machines that are set up for "speed", no money was spared.  There is "no way" the Mac Platform runs L4 anywhere close to as fast as the PC with L4!

I know this because I have 3 PC machines too.

If you are inpatient, the "beach balls" on the Mac will frustrate you.

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MJD | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:16 PM

stutzmas:

I hate to ask here. But I just got Logos and am still learning the outs and ins. It's a great program. But I've noticed that it runs pretty slowly on my laptop.

I've been looking at a newer laptop and have considered getting a Mac. However, would I be able to change my Logos from PC to Mac or would I have to rebuy? (which I would never do and too expensive since I have the platinum) I dont know where else to find the answer to this question. Thanks.

No, you can download the Mac version for free for your personal use.  You can use both platforms at no additional charge.  I just cation you the Mac L4 is not at the same level as the PC L4.

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stutzmas | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 20 2011 7:31 PM

It's just when I'm working in the program real time, it does not seem too responsive. Like reading through commentaries takes a while on Logos. Thought maybe with a better machine it would respond better.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 12:47 AM

The received wisdom is that memory and high speed disc drives (especially this new solid state stuff) can make a noticable improvement in responsiveness.

But I guess that applies to Windows as well as Mac. 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 1:43 AM

stutzmas:

It's just when I'm working in the program real time, it does not seem too responsive. Like reading through commentaries takes a while on Logos. Thought maybe with a better machine it would respond better.

Logos 4 is resource intensive on Mac & PC – benefits from fast processor, graphics, and disk along with adequate memory (i.e. newer hardware since Logos 4 being designed for use over 5 to 8 years).  Upgrading from 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo to 2.93 GHz Quad Core i7 noticeably improved Logos 4 Mac usability (especially menu interaction, but some drop downs still need click and wait on Mac and PC).  Thankful for many previous Logos 4 Mac improvements; looking forward to more.  Current Logos 4 Mac is much more capable than previous 1.2.2 version.

Wiki Mac and PC User Interface Differences => Feature Parity section has links to many Logos 4 Mac features that need improvement to match Windows capabilities, including 4.3 Beta progress.  Recently upgraded a stable 4.2b SR-1 configuration to 4.3 Beta 11 (now 4.3 Beta 13 using default update channel).

Looking at Logos 4.3 Beta 13 release notes, noticed one known issue for Mac plus Personal Book Builder (PBB) issues resolved; wonder about upcoming 4.3 Release Candidate ? (to be soon followed by stable 4.3 release).

Concur with recommendation about using Pages instead of Publisher.  Apple support has Pages information => http://www.apple.com/support/pages/ and tutorial videos => http://support.apple.com/videos#pages ( Pages '09: Work with Sections should be helpful for bulletin preparation).

Observation about Apple pricing: iPad's are competitively priced (sold 9.25 million last quarter).  Refreshed MacBook Air and 13" MacBook Pro laptops are decently priced; larger screen MacBook Pro models have initial premium pricing (two Dell Outlet 17" XPS laptops with 2nd Generation Quad Core i7 are less than one refurbished Apple 17" MacBook Pro with similar hardware).  New Mac Mini's are attractive.  The 27" iMac desktop models are attractive: large 2,560 x 1,440 screen resolution is quite usable for Logos 4 (similar desktop real estate as couple smaller resolution monitors with no screen gap for mouse pointer to jump).  

Apple refurbished models have same one year warranty as new => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac (only outside of box is marked refurbished).  Current high end 27" iMac model is available as refurbished for $ 1,869 =>http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD063LL/A

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Dennis Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 5:11 AM

Take the plunge Steve, you will not regret it. If you have a Best Buy store where you live take advantage of their 18 -24 month same as cash offer on their credit card and ease the pain a little and pay it off over time without interest. Yes Logos runs slow but it is not the only reason you should consider moving to Mac it is overall a better experience and you will find comparable applications to do what you do now with MS products only better and more enjoyably.

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 7:53 AM

MJD:

If you search the forum there are many people constantly complaining the L4 on Mac is VERY SLOW!  I personally have 5 Mac machines that are set up for "speed", no money was spared.  There is "no way" the Mac Platform runs L4 anywhere close to as fast as the PC with L4!

I know this because I have 3 PC machines too.

If you are inpatient, the "beach balls" on the Mac will frustrate you.

Mike,

thanks for the warning about the slow performance. When I went to the Apple website and configured a fast machine it was more than twice the price of a configured pc. The fast Macs are VERY expensive. I guess that I will continue to be a frustrated pc user that can't afford a Mac Sad  

Maybe the Mac L4 slow performance would have frustrated me even more.

I noticed this morning that L4 is crashing on some Lion machines.Storm

 

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 7:56 AM

Brothers,

thanks for the helpful information.

God bless

 

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Christopher Guest | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 8:01 AM

Logos runs without issue on my 2009 Mac Mini.

My wife is a kindergarden teacher, and requires MS Publisher for her work (despite having Pages and Adobe InDesign at home).

To avoid having to splash out on a copy of Windows OS, I purchased CrossOverMac Pro from www.codeweavers.com

This means that you can natively run MS Publisher on your Mac - but without having to install Windows.

My Mac can go all the way to OS XI

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 21 2011 11:20 PM

Steve Clevenger:
When I went to the Apple website and configured a fast machine it was more than twice the price of a configured pc. The fast Macs are VERY expensive. I guess that I will continue to be a frustrated pc user that can't afford a Mac Sad  

Noticed new MacBook Air and Mac Mini's are fast => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/21/apples_new_minis_and_airs_benchmark_twice_as_fast_as_predecessors.html

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Dennis Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 5:21 AM

Don't let Logos keep you from moving to Mac there are so many other reasons and apps to justify the move. You don't need to shell out he big bucks just because Logos has issues with their  business decisions that are effecting performance. I know I will get slammed by the faithful, of which I was one when I used the previous windows versions, but their move to Mac has been plagued with problems but I think they have some good people working diligently to solve some of the issues they are just hampered performance wise by a poor business decision to develop a cross compatible application instead of a native Mac application. OK, lets here it from all of you power users, where money is no object and you have no problems running logos on your quad core, 16 GB ram Mac's, unfortunately that is not the majority of the user base. I won't use the 'A' word again as an example of a lightning fast, native bible app on the Mac even on a 3 year old Macbook. with 2GB of ram.

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 6:13 AM

thanks bro

 

But Mac Mini's aren't mobile and I have watched video's of MacBook Air struggling to run L4.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 8:24 AM

Upgraded to LION the logos beta runs faster under lion than it did under 10.6 --my passage guide always crashes logos at the moment but i am happy over all and i am running the latest bta there will be bugs but the will be gone soon enough.

 

-dan

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 25 2011 9:14 PM

Steve Clevenger:
But Mac Mini's aren't mobile and I have watched video's of MacBook Air struggling to run L4.

Option: can carry Mac Mini with an iPad using VNC app on iPad to remotely control headless Mac Mini (peer to peer wireless).  Mac Mini would need power connection (similar to laptop brick for extended mobile use).

Am aware of some adventurous Mac users that have mounted Mini's in their car for mobile use (possibly use iPad in church to remotely control Mac Mini in car running Logos 4).

By the way, new MacBook Air models have benchmark scores showing significantly faster (attractive for Logos 4):

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/23/first_look_apples_new_11_and_13_inch_thunderbolt_macbook_air.html

Also noted Solid State Disk (SSD) performance difference in new MacBook Air models:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/25/performance_variation_found_in_ssds_shipping_with_new_macbook_airs.html

Likewise noticed new Mac Mini's are much faster ((attractive for Logos 4, especially 2.5 GHz model with AMD Radeon HD 6630M graphics that can be ordered with SSD and optionally 750 GB drive):

http://www.macworld.com/article/161306/2011/07/2011macminibenchmarks.html

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