Suggestion: Allowing husband and wives to share one Logos 4 license

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Andrew Ma | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:08 PM

Hello, although the bible considers a husband and wive "one", the EULA is a legal document in which legally, we're two separate people which means I can't share my Logos 4 license with my wife. We each have our own laptops and so the line:

We hereby grant You a nonexclusive license to use the Software and "unlocked" Content on the computer or computers used primarily by You, the licensed user. (For example, on a home, office, and laptop computer, all of which are used primarily by You.)

means that I can only install on my machines. My first suggestion and request is to allow husband and wives to share one Logos license by updating the EULA to allow it.

My second suggestion would be to allow two separate profiles logins to be associated so the data synced to the cloud (ie, reading plan) will be for each of us. I understand that this might be abused, but it's something I'd like for Logos to consider.

These two suggestions are independent (although the first would have to be implemented before the second one could work). I would be happy enough with just the first one, but having the second one as well would be even better.

Thoughts... ??

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Donald G. Fisher | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:11 PM

Sounds like it is time to take ownership of her computer.  Seems to be the easiest solution to me. 

Let me know how that works!

don

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:18 PM

DonaldGFisher:

Sounds like it is time to take ownership of her computer.  Seems to be the easiest solution to me. 

Let me know how that works!

don

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:19 PM

AndrewMa:
we're two separate people which means I can't share my Logos 4 license with my wife.

This would be very nice.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:20 PM

DonaldGFisher:
Sounds like it is time to take ownership of her computer.  Seems to be the easiest solution to me. 
Correct, sometimes the easiest way to get what you want is to be dishonest.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:21 PM

Philip Spitzer:

AndrewMa:
we're two separate people which means I can't share my Logos 4 license with my wife.

This would be very nice.

Now, if there was a legit way to buy a second license / user login, that would be cool!

 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:22 PM

Last July Bob Pritchett posted the following:

Bob Pritchett Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 12:14 PM

Arrgghhh! I hate this topic. :-)

We have lots of heated discussions about this internally. Every other week we get the desperate-to-be-legal-and-ethical user who calls to confirm that they can install the software on their desktop and notebook computer. The other weeks we hear about the every-loophole-finding user who wants to parse our latest statement on the EULA to let them install the software on every machine they see, and to charge people for the service.

I am not going to answer all your questions. Ever. I don't want to. I don't want a clean-cut policy, because it just annoys the honest user who has a legitimate situation while doing nothing to stop the person who justifies-to-themselves whatever behavior they want.

So what follow is still not "the final answer." It's a guide, similar to what I tell our CS people. (Who all wish I wouldn't give them discretion, but would instead make an easy-to-refer-to policy. :-) )

We license the software to one user.

If you are one user with 10 computers, because you run a Mac, Windows, notebook, netbook, desktop, church, home, and three flavors of Linux, I don't care. You're just one user, albeit with too many computers.

(People call up and say "how many computers can I put it on?" We don't care, if they're all YOUR computers. When we say "3", as we used to, for convenience, we'd get people who called with lengthy and unnecessary explanations for why they owned four computers. We'd also get people who would install it on the Pastor, Youth Pastor, and Sunday School Teacher's computers. And we'd say that was wrong, and they'd say "You said three computers for one owner, and the church is the owner, so it's legal to put it on three computers used by people who work at the church." I say, that's abusing the license.)

What about my spouse? What about my child?

Well, now it depends. Are you and your spouse "one user"? I know lots of people who have a single email address like JoeAndMary@somemail.com. They have one computer, one email address, one copy of Windows, (one car? one cell phone?) etc. To me, they're "one user." Same thing when little Joey uses the family computer.

But if we extend the license to "officially" allow family use, we get (actual) scenarios like: Joe and Mary are both ordained ministers who attend and preach at different churches on Sunday morning. Each has an office, their own computer, their own salary and budget, and even their own church secretary. This, to me, doesn't feel like "one user". This feels like two users.

We also get Pastor Joe who has a 22 year old son Joe, Jr. in seminary, or a 35 year old son who is a pastor across the country. We've had people tell us they don't need multiple licenses, because they're family members. But Pastor Joe and grown-up Joe, Jr. seem like two users to me.

What if the user is a church, not a person?

It's great if the church wants to buy the software so the pastor doesn't have to buy it with their own funds. But that doesn't mean everyone who works at or attends the church is a legal user of the software (as some have tried to argue). It's still for "one person user"; thay can be Pastor Joe, and if Pastor Joe leaves, you can have him uninstall it and let new Pastor Mark use it instead. But we don't do site or organization licenses -- we license to a (human) user, even if an institution is the purchaser.

In the future, our software will use more web resources. You will be able to log into these resources -- and your own content -- at Logos.com using an email address and password. Our interaction will be with this "one user" who logs in, and who has one username, one email address, one mailing address, one name, one credit card, and one password. One set of note files, prayer lists, and reading plans. "One user."

I hope this helps. For the record, this email is not a replacement of the EULA or a new policy. It's just how I think about it, and how I encourage our staff to think about it.

-- Bob

I may not answer all your questions, but it may help.

Yours because His,

Floyd

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Floyd

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:22 PM

Joe Miller:
Correct, sometimes the easiest way to get what you want is to be dishonest.

What would you say about "taking ownership" of my friends computer?  jk I know this is a serious issue. I would love to know Logos' response to this question.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:23 PM

Really, this isn't a good time to re-hash the EULA thing.
BobP said he just hates talking about it and things must be really jumping around Logos HQ this week. I am sure the move towards cloud computing will get the EULA addressed in the future. For now,look up what has already been said about it in the forum.

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:25 PM

Matthew C Jones:

Really, this isn't a good time to re-hash the EULA thing.
BobP said he just hates talking about it and things must be really jumping around Logos HQ this week. I am sure the move towards cloud computing will get the EULA addressed in the future. For now,look up what has already been said about it in the forum.

I can appreciate your thinking. I'll weigh on the better side until then. I didn't know about Bob's previous comments regarding it.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 4:28 PM

Joe Miller:

DonaldGFisher:
Sounds like it is time to take ownership of her computer.  Seems to be the easiest solution to me. 
Correct, sometimes the easiest way to get what you want is to be dishonest.

Joe,  My smiley face winking Wink   is in relation to prying her fingers of the laptop. Not a pretense of "transfering" ownership. Some wives might tighten their grip on their laptops.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:42 AM

And my wife just took my remaining laptop after her's gave up the blue smoke.  I am now without a laptop.  Hmm

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 10:01 AM

Matthew C Jones:
Joe,  My smiley face winking Wink   is in relation to prying her fingers of the laptop. Not a pretense of "transfering" ownership. Some wives might tighten their grip on their laptops.
ah, that does make me feel better.  When we were going through the beta process, I learned how there are actually folks out there "selling" their one licensed copy of Scholars Gold and installing it on many many many computers. There are cracks out there that let people unlock books for free.  It made me sad to think that this happens with Bible software.  It also means that for every dime not rightly paid to Logos, there is less money for development of new tools for me and you.  

Anyway, thanks for making your smiley face clear brother :-)

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Alex Scott | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 10:20 AM

Floyd Johnson:

Last July Bob Pritchett posted the following:

Bob Pritchett Replied: Thu, Jul 16 2009 12:14 PM

I think if we accept the spirit of Bob's response, that should be enough to answer our questions on the subject.

Longtime Logos user (more than $30,000 in purchases) - now a second class user because I won't pay them more every month or year.

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EricS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 10:26 AM

Matthew 19:5-6 (ESV)


5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

 

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 10:39 AM

Actually somehow I missed the post from Bob. That settles it for me!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 11:24 AM

Joe Miller:
When we were going through the beta process, I learned how there are actually folks out there "selling" their one licensed copy of Scholars Gold and installing it on many many many computers. There are cracks out there that let people unlock books for free.  It made me sad to think that this happens with Bible software.  It also means that for every dime not rightly paid to Logos, there is less money for development of new tools for me and you.

Yes, it must be heartbreaking to God since He sees every one of them. And lest anyone be tempted by those illegal software sources, if you swim with the sharks they will eat you alive. It is an ugly world under the surface. There are a lot of malicious "cracks" and torrents. I have had to clean many a hard drive for users that violated God's standards and opened the door for evil.

Software functionality is sacrificed when overly stringent security measures are imposed like dongles, or CD insertion. Can you imagine having to scan your thumbprint to access Logos 5? And voice recognition for Logos 6?

 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 11:55 AM

Matthew C Jones:

Software functionality is sacrificed when overly stringent security measures are imposed like dongles, or CD insertion. Can you imagine having to scan your thumbprint to access Logos 5? And voice recognition for Logos 6?

Sounds like you have the inside scoop Matthew. If software piracy keeps up, Logos may have to resort to such measures. Actually they may not have a choice. The publishers may demand it.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 12:10 PM

Lynden Williams:
Sounds like you have the inside scoop Matthew. If software piracy keeps up, Logos may have to resort to such measures. Actually they may not have a choice. The publishers may demand it.

I really hope not. In the 90's my computers could not fit on the desktop because of the many dongles attached to the back. Piracy has killed a lot of good companies and deterred many developers from producing new material. Why go to all the work and expense just to give it away?

I think Bible software has one unseen protection other software doesn't benefit from. Most users probably proclaim their faith in God. If a user is truly a child of God, their quickened conscience and the ever present Holy Spirit won't let them be at peace while they have sin hidden in their heart.  That works better than anything the Software Publishers Association can do to combat piracy.  Of course there are those unsaved who for whatever reason want the software.

Another thing: Government sponsored software piracy is a real danger too. The Russian Fedreation and communiust China have factories that produce glitzy packaging and bootleg software. It even has the Microsoft holograms and all.  It is easy to unwittingly purchase what looks like the real thing.

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Richard Stimson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 8 2009 2:01 PM

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I was directed here about my question about using two iTouches.  I get that two iTouches will be a problem.  I get Logos not wanting to lock themselves into what "One User" is.  Logos want to be understanding.  Here is my issue.  I have a book, CD or whatever that I like, so I give it to my wife, mother or friend and say hey I really like this book (or whatever) you should read it.  Hard to do with electronic book, music or whatever.  A church can buy a set of commentaries that members of the church can use in the church library.  I do not know the answer.  People steal software and do not think of it as stealing (yes even Christians).  Yet I do think I should be able to share my electronic books with my wife just as I do with my paper books.  But yes, we are two users.

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