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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 10:21 AM | Locked

I'm planning to put Jonathan Edwards' "History of the Work of Redemption" in PBB. I'm going to wait until I'm sure the formatting requirements are finalized.

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Joseph Najera | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 10:51 AM | Locked

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but is there (or will there be) a somewhat definitive step-by-step guide for creating PBs?  Although I have lots of experience in Word, I've never built a PB and look forward to it.  Thanks.

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Robert Pavich | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 12:46 PM | Locked

I don't have a bit of problem with Bob's policy...when (or IF) they decide that they can or want to make an official version of the official LDS scriptures...i'd be willing to pay for them...but until then....I'm going to attempt to make PBB's.

Robert Pavich

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 2:32 PM | Locked

Joseph Najera:

Not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but is there (or will there be) a somewhat definitive step-by-step guide for creating PBs?  Although I have lots of experience in Word, I've never built a PB and look forward to it.  Thanks.

Mark Barnes will not be as quick with a video this time around, but if I'm not mistaken there is a plan for one.  I'll try to pay attention and if he just can't swing it, I'm sure someone will assemble a video or at least a step by step Wiki Page.

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 5:42 PM | Locked

Dominick Sela:

5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems

6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource

7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource

I agreed with your points 1-4.

And perhaps even 6-7.

But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post.  He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.

[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]

Regards, SteveF

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 5:46 PM | Locked

Thomas Black:
I'm sure someone will assemble a video or at least a step by step Wiki Page

Step by Step is more like mis-step by mis-adventure at the momentSmile but I'm trying to keep up with events in http://wiki.logos.com/Personal_Books. I will refine it as syntax and bugs are settled but won't be attempting anything like a true step-by-step.

Dave
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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 5:59 PM | Locked

SteveF:

Dominick Sela:

5. You can still share your content with anyone you want, subject to your own copyright compliance of course, outside the Logos purchasing systems

6. Therefore you are not restricted from building or sharing your own version of a public domain/free resource

7. Therefore you are not charged for building a competitive public domain/free resource

I agreed with your points 1-4.

And perhaps even 6-7.

But the way you have worded 5 does not appear to be backed up by Bob's post.  He says "no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period.

[therefore making 6-7 not really "worth" any thing?]

I think you should read it again, he does NOT say ""no" competition for Logos Public domain books. Period". Read on...

Bob was speaking about the use of the Logos systems, "bookstore" to offer our PB's.  You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library. If you read the thread you will see that option will be there and will not be prevented. That's #5, and why #6 and #7 are valid.

Here again is the relevant quotes from his reply, note especially the bolded part:

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.

 

The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.

The bolded parts say:

Content restrictions are on the BOOKSTORE not anything else

Can't use LOGOS SYSTEMS to distribute them

You can do whatever you want to share your own PB source files (the only way to share PBs outside of the Logos systems)

 

Hope that helps!

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 6:24 PM | Locked

Dave Hooton:
I will refine it as syntax and bugs are settled but won't be attempting anything like a true step-by-step.

4.3 is now "Gold" (or in the Stable channel) and I've noticed that the updated Help file has useful information under "Personal books".

Dave
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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 6:24 PM | Locked

Dominick Sela:
You always have the ability to give/send someone your PB source file, they compile/build it, and they have the resource in their library.

Yes...(but it will still never be available for download as a book--versus the "old" way of doing things at the "Still Truth" site).

Sorry, but I just thought you were defending Bob's decision a little too vigorously to someone who was in disagreement with that policy. (and yes, Bob, has the right to make any decision he wishes).

I guess at this point we are into "hair-spitting"?

Regards

 

Regards, SteveF

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Linden | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2011 7:35 PM | Locked

Lynden Williams:
I will start with documents that I want in Logos from  our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.

Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?

Linden

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Chris Brooks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 12:54 PM | Locked

Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.

Remember that most of your customers are not only family, but among the poorest of the family.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 1:28 PM | Locked

John Brooks:
Maybe you shouldn't do "high quality" productions of those public domain titles. I realize a lot of work goes into making your books, but when the same material is available on other platforms for literally a 1/10 of your price, you've got to ask whether your procedures can be streamlined.

I see your point but I have a slightly different perspective. When I NEED a public domain title, I want a high quality production. When it is a nice/fun to have, I can compile my own sloppy PB. But I admit to having a much smaller collection than most MVP's - well, at least in electronic format.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 7:11 PM | Locked

Dominick Sela:
This is my understanding of what Bob said. I realize this is not Logos-authoritative, but I thought there may be some value in seeing how another user read what Bob said.

Very well stated Dominick.   

I hope everyone understands Bob's position regarding competing duplicate titles in PBB. The only way the system can be viable is if Logos does not fund their competition.  There are millions of books out there that Logos will never get around to publishing. I hope we can get busy using the PBB tools to produce those works for our own use. The Logos PBB bookstore can be better viewed as a "vanity press." You can write, promote, sell and distribute your own works to your heart's content. This will be a great help to professors, pastors and prolific unsigned authors.

Please do note Bob said the policies are not nailed down yet. I suppose Logos could develop appropriate policy in response to how PBB tools are used. Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it.  Let us not "go London" on our Benefactor.  Angry

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 10:28 PM | Locked

Super Tramp:

Logos is providing this for free so we are subject to how they license it.

Has it been officially confirmed that the Personal Books function is a free one for all "package" levels? The ability to create and read PBBs hasn't been free in the past.

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 10 2011 10:36 PM | Locked

just saw the Official Logos Email - Personal Book Builder is free for all.

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 17 2011 7:48 PM | Locked

Linden:

Lynden Williams:
I will start with documents that I want in Logos from  our Biblical Research Insitute website, and then proceed from there.

Any plans to make these available via Logos or another source?

Just saw your post. Will make them available via word as soon as I finish. Started on the one on the Sabbath. Taking some time, many footnotes, and I am just learning PBB's. I have managed to complete the Adult study Bible Guide for his week

 

.8540.8512.Test-TOC(2010).docx

Had to rely on the brothers in the forum to help with the table of contents, and formatting.

Lynden Williams Communications https://www.lyndenwilliams.net 

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 17 2011 7:55 PM | Locked

For my first dive into PB's, I'm working on Book VI of John Gill's Body of Doctrinal Divinity. About halfway through checking formatting and adding page numbers (basing pagination on http://tcnr.me/0gt01 ).

Wanted access to this resource and the John Gill collection in community pricing isn't exactly moving fast. :( I *may* do the rest of Doctrinal Divinity later.

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 19 2011 5:14 PM | Locked

Bob Pritchett:

 

I just want to give a quick "heads up" about the PBB distribution terms. While you'll be able to build whatever you want with PBB, distribution will be supported via our Logos online systems. (Both from your personal page as well as from a central bookstore.)

The bookstore will make it easy to share content with others, and will offer the same cloud-based downloading, syncing, multi-computer use, etc. that Logos-created books support.

For this reason, though, Logos is going to have some content restrictions on the bookstore -- we aren't looking to create an editing tool, for example, that lets people create lower-quality and lower-price versions of public domain content we sell in high-quality editions, and then use our systems, servers, etc. to distribute them.

The policies and procedures aren't done, and we're still thinking through all the issues. But I want to point out early-on that the goal of PBB is to support "personal" use. This means you can do whatever you want for yourself, but if you want to use our systems to share/distribute the content, we'll be offering support for sharing your "personal" content, not for going into competition with Logos on public domain (or licensed non-PD) content.

-- Bob

Looking forward to the bookstore. Thank you. 

I understand the limitation on you guys distributing the PBB's of public domain works you sell.  I agree with it. Are you going to limit it only to public domain works that you sell? Or all public domain works of which we are not the original authors?

Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Debra W Bouey | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 19 2011 5:49 PM | Locked

Working on some short, lesser known stuff by Jeremiah Burroughs ... but the original copy I have is pretty lousy, so it's tedious going.

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Dominick Sela | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 19 2011 6:38 PM | Locked

Working on Theology of the Body by John Paul II.

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