For Sale: Pillar, Baker Exeg., Baker NT, BDAG, AT Robertson - $390

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Kevin Edwards | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 4 2009 10:48 PM

For Sale: $390 (45% off the academic price, which is $710 for these 5 packages)

5 fully transferable Libronix/Logos software packages, including the license for each package.
I will not break these into separate sales - will only sell all 5 together.

Pillar New Testament Commentary (8 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2118
Academic price: $200 (lowest Logos price)

Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament (8 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2603
Academic price: $190 (lowest Logos price)

Baker’s New Testament Commentary, by Kistemaker and Hendriksen (12 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/1777
Academic price: $130 (lowest Logos price)

A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. (BDAG)
http://www.logos.com/products/details/1687
Academic price: $150 (lowest Logos price)

A.T. Robertson’s Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research
http://www.logos.com/products/details/2479
Academic price: $40 (lowest Logos price)

If interested, write me at:
kedwards
(.at.)
gracechurch
(.dot.)
org

More about me:
http://www.gracechurch.org/about/leadership/

Once I receive payment via PayPal, I will pay the fee ($20) that Logos charges to transfer the licenses from my account to your account. You will then be able to download the files and licenses directly from Logos to your account - no need for me to mail you anything. If in doubt, call Logos customer service to confirm that one can do this. Please note that if you pay from a credit card on PayPal, you will need to pay the 2.9% fee that they charge for personal transactions. Paying from a bank account on PayPal does not result in any fees.

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:04 PM

Good thing you are not selling your MacArthur collection... you might get in trouble with your boss :-)

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:25 PM

Kevin,

If I had to guess... upgrading to Platinum? Other users might consider that it might be cheaper to upgrade to the Platinum library which includes all the listed resources (and more) than to buy this set... Cost me $280 to upgrade from Gold to Platinum given my existing library.

Just making sure users know what options are available before paying $390 for something they might be able to get cheaper. :)

Also Kevin, if you are in fact upgrading to Platinum (or beyond!), it might be worth considering that transferring these licenses away will increase your upgrade price since it takes into account any resources already in your library.

Or is it possible to upgrade then sell individually purchased books...?

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Kevin Edwards | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 4 2009 11:31 PM

This offer is best for someone who is Silver or lower, can't afford to upgrade to Gold, much less Platinum, but who really wants these specific packages.

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BS | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 12:38 AM

Will we have to wait until the first of the year to have the licenses transferred?  I heard a rumor this was the new policy.

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Rick Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 5:59 PM

You did the same thing I did as far as upgrading - I have many of the same items for sale..

 

Hoping I can find a buyer! 

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:04 PM

Just strikes me as taking advantage of Logos - getting a discount, then selling the things that made you eligible for discount. We criticize politicians that double dip.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:09 PM

Chris Roberts:

Just strikes me as taking advantage of Logos - getting a discount, then selling the things that made you eligible for discount. We criticize politicians that double dip.

Agreed. I really can't imagine Logos approving such sales.

Jack

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:17 PM

KevinEdwards:
For Sale: $390 (45% off the academic price

 

Disgusting!

Now I understand why there is a moratorium on license transfers.

I am not a lawyer but I would be suprised if you did not just violate your license agreenent with Logos. I suppose they can cancel your use of their software now.

Since you know so well the Academic prices of these I would hazard a guess you got them as an academic user. Most specialized licensing forbids the transfer to others without them meeting the approval of the publisher.

I really hope Logos requires the proper increased compensation from you guys for benefitting from their generous credit towards an upgrade (saving about 90%) then running out hocking "your" software in the courts of the temple.

Go ask God about your conduct!

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:31 PM

RickSmith:
You did the same thing I did as far as upgrading - I have many of the same items for sale

Notice you said you bought an "upgrade." The way that works is you get a discounted price for having bought the product previously. That makes "your" investment transfer into the new product and out of the old product. It is no longer yours if value was applied to your new purchase. It is like trading your old car in on a new car and trying to sell the old car to someone else when the car dealer now holds the title. It is illegal conversion of assets. Just because they may allow you to slap them on the cheek does not make it the right thing to do.

In the good ol' days whenever you upgraded they made you mail in the install diskette, user manual cover or something to prove you were entitled to the upgrade. The old software was then to be destroyed, not sold.  Maybe Logos will have to go back to that method if this generation hasn't understood the concept.

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Wilson Hines | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:51 PM

I'm sorry, but this is greed. Flat out greed. I hope you can sleep tonight.

Wilson Hines

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Rick Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:56 PM

Wow...!

I think many of you have a HUGE misunderstanding either about their policy, or what we are talking about doing.

First, when I called Logos to talk about upgrading my library to a newer one, I asked about several books that I paid for SEPARATE then my base package that are now included in the base package. (For me the two big ticket items were "BDAG" and "Baker Exg.")  I was informed that for me I was paying to upgrade from the Logos 3 to Logos 4 base packages, and my upgrade price was from one package to the other. Since the 2 items in question were paid for separate, and not part of the base package, it's as if I had 2 hard copies at the book at this point.

 

I CLEARY asked the rep if this was correct and he said YES (several times.)  The main reason I wanted to upgrade was to have access to those 2 main resources that weren't in my first package.  It would not have been worth it to upgrade if this wasn't true, because I already owned the two main reasons I would pay to upgrade for the new package.  So when I called they rep said I could treat these two books as PHYSICAL books, and sell them as I wish (since they weren't part of the package), so based on what he told me I decided to go ahead and upgrade.  I know what I paid for the first base package, and for what I paid for the upgrade, and there was NO WAY the upgrade price considered the fact that I purchased BDAG and Baxter EXG  - no way.  (plus the rep is the one that talked to me about all of this.)

Since I paid to upgrade the base package, anything I bought extra stands alone, it has nothing to do with the base package I owned.  

 

I don't appreciate how some of you would just jump the gun and call people's integrity into question.  I made the decision I made based on what I was told by the Logos rep.  I had no idea I could even do this until the rep told me about how they "do it all the time" and how it was " no problem" since I basically owned two copies of these resources; one that came with my newly upgraded package, and the one that I paid for separate from my base package.  

 

Before being so quick to point fingers at people, I would suggest showing a bit more grace, and asking questions about their specific situation - and if that person is in sin; point their error out in LOVE, and pray they would repent.  I hope you don't minister to people the same way some of you treat people in these forums.  

 

In grace and truth - 

Rick

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Kevin Edwards | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:57 PM

To calm everyone down, it was Logos themselves who suggested that I sell these packages, explaining to me the process necessary to do this. Academic prices are readily available to anyone from the Logos web site, and they are simply a reference point for the lowest price available from Logos for these products. A couple of these packages are available from Rejoice Software for a little less that Logos' academic price. I never said that I upgraded. And I'm not sure what formula Logos uses for determining upgrade prices, but the last two letters on your base package appear to have a lot to do with it. Please note that I am not selling a base package or a part one, but individual book packages that were purchased individually, and therefore can be resold individually.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 6:57 PM

EDITED:

Entire, long post was deleted because it was already properly linked in the 4th post of this thread.

Now we have conserved a little electronic space. Huh?

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:00 PM

Rick,

Some of the responses have made me cringe a bit. I don't think it is right to resell the resources, but still... 

See the link Jon posted above, Bob's explanation of all this gives some good reasons why users should reconsider reselling their books. 

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spitzerpl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:01 PM

RickSmith:
I CLEARY asked the rep if this was correct and he said YES (several times.)  The main reason I wanted to upgrade was to have access to those 2 main resources that weren't in my first package.  It would not have been worth it to upgrade if this wasn't true, because I already owned the two main reasons I would pay to upgrade for the new package.  So when I called they rep said I could treat these two books as PHYSICAL books, and sell them as I wish (since they weren't part of the package), so based on what he told me I decided to go ahead and upgrade.  I know what I paid for the first base package, and for what I paid for the upgrade, and there was NO WAY the upgrade price considered the fact that I purchased BDAG and Baxter EXG  - no way.  (plus the rep is the one that talked to me about all of this.)

Maybe what your saying is right. I didn't here the call so I'll assume you are. I would encourage you to hold off selling these books until the dust settles. I would hate for you to be in the position of losing resources because of a mis-understanding or selling something to someone that they have trouble using because of a conflict in licensing. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying Logos is very busy and trying to get license issues like this resolved is not their top priority right now. There could be some confusion in the process.

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Kevin Edwards | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:02 PM

The long text that you pasted was already linked to in post #4 of this thread.

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Rick Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:07 PM

The entire reason I upgraded was because of the information that LOGOS told me.  (It seems as if Kevin was told the same information.) 

I don't work in digital publishing, I have no idea how it works; all i know is what I am told by the company that does deal in digital publishing.  I don't know the rules, laws, ethics involved; I can only relay on what info I am given from the company I am doing business with.  They are the one that told me, and Kevin, to do this.

Now if what the reps told me, and Kevin, is true then we are 100% in the right in selling the few resources that were not part of a package.

 

If the reps told us wrong info, either they a.) knew it was wrong, and told us that just to make a sale. So they would have to be liars, and simply telling us something they knew to be false just so we would "buy with them today"  b.) They had the wrong info, or weren't aware what they were saying was wrong  - either way, that has NOTHING to do with the character, and ethics of Kevin, or myself.  

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Wes Saad | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 5 2009 7:12 PM

RickSmith:
either way, that has NOTHING to do with the character, and ethics of Kevin, or myself.  

Understood. Thanks for clearing things up with us busybodies. :) You did not have to clarify but did so anyway, thanks.

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