Start of an index on Early Church Fathers
http://topics.logos.com/Early_Church_Fathers_Index
Yes, I will include Schaff but that wasn't where I needed to start - if you want the original languages done, someone else will need to volunteer. I did put mine under "translations". Don't know if anyone else will find it useful, but I happened to need it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you! That looks really useful.
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Here is a PB with image file, and table of contents so we can use this inside Logos 4! Thanks MJ. I'll watch this thread in case there are updates to the wiki page and you post that here, I'll update the document if that serves a purpose for everyone.
A new era in my Logos library! ---->
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Thanks a lot, M.J. and Dominick!!
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Have joy in the Lord!
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Love it! Awesome Job with this. It is so much more helpful with people sorted alphabetically and links to multiple Logos resources.
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NewbieMick said:
Thanks a lot, M.J. and Dominic!!
Yes! I concur heartily! Thanks! And my life is now even still richer because of your contributions!
Peace to all! and.................... Joy
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Great job! I'll see if I can find some time to help you with it, but not right now, I'm afraid.
What's the Christian Apologetics resource that I don't seem to have and can't find on Logos webpage?
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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fgh said:
What's the Christian Apologetics resource that I don't seem to have and can't find on Logos webpage?
It's in Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/product/14380/christian-apologetics as is Beginnings http://vyrso.com/product/13240/beginnings-ancient-christian-readings-of-the-biblical-creation-narratives
It's interesting that Logos doesn't offer them to you from the link.
I hadn't thought of converting the list to a PB as the list itself can be brought up in Logos - but I like the PB better in some respects because it keeps the spacing better making it more readable.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks very much, MJ! *smile*
Just bought the first and will very likely buy the second this evening when I return from some errands!
You and your contributions are much appreciated; and I'm sure Logos appreciates you for all the resources that they sell to folks like us who have a little knowledge and encouragement from you!
Peace!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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MJ. Smith said:fgh said:
What's the Christian Apologetics resource that I don't seem to have and can't find on Logos webpage?
It's in Vyrso: http://vyrso.com/product/14380/christian-apologetics
Ah, now I see (and buy...). Didn't occur to me to look there. If you don't own it, the link behaves like a PB from another user - I will support your suggestion they invoke Vyrso instead.
Have joy in the Lord!
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MJ. Smith said:
It's interesting that Logos doesn't offer them to you from the link.
Not only do they not offer them, they do not even tell me the titles. It seems from the forums that when others (Windows-users?) click on a logosref link to something they don't have, they at least are told what resource the link was supposed to go to. When I click on a link like that, all I'm told is Resource unavailable, Title:. This time the title was in the Reading List, so at least I got that, but I can't tell you how many times I've clicked on some link in a forum post without getting even a clue about what it was supposed to go to.
I knew about Beginnings, since you had already posted about that, but I hadn't found the other one. Looks like a must have. Weird, though, that they don't tell us it's volume one of two (I had a look at Amazon).
How on earth do you manage to locate such interesting books among all those thousands of [for me] rather uninteresting titles? Do you have any tip? I went through several categories and found nothing. And as far as I could see there isn't even a sub-category for Catholic, even though a simple search for Catholic brings up several. If not even books with Catholic in the title are tagged as Catholic, how on earth are we supposed to locate any others?
I've been thinking of starting a thread on your forum where we could alert each other when a new interesting publisher has been added, or give tips about interesting books that are hidden deep down somewhere, but I haven't had the time yet.
CORRECTION: There actually is a sub-category for Catholic now (sure couldn't see one yesterday), but there's only one book in it, so that's not much help.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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NewbieMick said:
the Vyrso-resource is both volumes in one.
Are you sure? The description says "from the first century a.d. through the Middle Ages", which would make it only vol 1. The listed authors are all vol 1 as well.
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fgh said:NewbieMick said:
the Vyrso-resource is both volumes in one.
Are you sure? The description says "from the first century a.d. through the Middle Ages", which would make it only vol 1. The listed authors are all vol 1 as well.
You are right, sorry. Volume One is internally segmented into two parts (ECF versus Middle Ages or 0-500 vs. 500-1500), that led me astray - the first Author mentioned in the ECF-Index is Abelard from the second part of the book - but still Volume One (Vol 2, 1500- seems to be brand new).
Still Vol 1 seems to be a worthwile book and with 8,99 USD less than half of Amazon's Kindle price.
Have joy in the Lord!
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I have begun adding in the Schaff series - I suspect given my other responsibilities this will take about a week.
Another related Vyrso book is Reading the Old Testament with the Ancient Church: Exploring the Formation of Early Christian Thought. (Heine). I'm a little concerned about these being in Vyrso - that may imply they'll never properly linked to the Church Fathers.
and no fgh I have no secret formula ... I simply ran into them while doing searches on authors.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bumping - the list now lists all the English resources that are being included in the index. Look at it and see if there are additional items I should consider. Thanks.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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You have done me a wonderful service. Thanks a million! God bless you![:)]
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Updated document in PB format with JPG for you personal book builders...
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MJ. Smith said:
Bumping - the list now lists all the English resources that are being included in the index. Look at it and see if there are additional items I should consider. Thanks.
This is awesome, Martha! Since you're apparently done now, are the notes to yourself near the top saying stuff like "not started" or "entered through volume V of X" no longer relevant?
The link to Theophilus of Alexandria's "Synodical letter to the bishops of Palestine and Cyprus" is broken, points to a non-existent wiki page by that name.
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Rosie Perera said:
Since you're apparently done now,
I wish - no the notes reflect the current state of the index. I just wanted feedback on the scope - since I have a relatively small collection I wondered what might not be on my radar yet. Thanks for the broken link. I'll get it fixed in a few minutes.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Updated Personal Book and image file...
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MJ,
there is one thing that bugs me with your list since I bought the Catholic Library Builder: the ANF-references all point towards the protestant edition.Thus, most of the links in the list appear locked to me, as they point towards ANFxx while I own this resource as ANFRCxx.
I contemplated making a duplicate of the Reading List by having Word replace all ANF with ANFRC - however, this makes the list unmanagable for the future. A better way to cope with the situation would be to have duplicate references.
Running it as a test, I included a reference from ANF into your small "Infant Baptism" list (I think it's yours since you put content into Bob's empty document) - and I put both the RC and the Protestant ANF into it - actually I just removed "RC" from the reference code and can't verify whether it works.
Thus the wiki code line looks like this:
* [[Letter 58 >> logosres:anfrc05;ref=Cyprian.Ep._58]] / [[Letter 58 >> logosres:anf05;ref=Cyprian.Ep._58]] | Cyprian reporting on the 3rd Council of Carthago AD 253 (ANF Volume V - RC Edition / Protestant Edition)
and interestingly, it produces this neat output with two resource links in one row:
The first link will lead me to Cyprians letter, the second one (hopefully) will lead those with the protestant edition to the same place. However, to change your big list accordingly, would need some kind of macro to replace each ANF reference with itself plus its twin (or lots of manual work) - what do you think?
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks for pointing this out - I like and will implement your solution. I was silly enough to think Logos would automatically switch to the Catholic version if the Protestant version didn't exist.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thank you very much. Very helpful.
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In the interim, here is a version of MJ's index with the links changed to the Catholic version of the resources. It was easy to do a special search and replace and just change the links.
MJ if you have a later version of this TOC and want to post it here, I'll run my macro on it to update to a Catholic version until you modify the file to support both. Or maybe it's just easier to have a Catholic and Protestant version of the file, to support both sets of resources?
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Thanks Dominick,
just for completeness sake I include a document where in addition to the Ante-Nicene Fathers (ANFxx) also the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (NPNFxx) have changed to RC version. To do this with the Reading List itself would require to synchronize all future changes to the list, that's why I refrained from doing so myself.
7220.Early Church Fathers Index_1.docx
Mick
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I hate to say this, but if both links are included next to each other, the Protestant one ought to be put first. Far more people have that version, and they will only be confused if they end up on a page saying 'You don't have this resource'. Plus we can do without the debate ensuing if certain people find out the Catholic link is first.
However, remember Logos is working on an update to the ECF. These links may change in the near (or far...) future, in order to function like MJ (and I) thought they did.
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fgh said:
I hate to say this, but if both links are included next to each other, the Protestant one ought to be put first. Far more people have that version, and they will only be confused if they end up on a page saying 'You don't have this resource'.
I just turned them around in the "Infant Baptism" Reading list. The only drawback for me is that there is now a locked symbol where I could check off before. I get your rationale that most users will have the protestant version, that's fine for me.
OT: Sometimes I wondered, are the intros really so bad (and so worthless in terms of giving background to writers, circumstances, document preservation etc), that Catholics had to be protected from reading them? Maybe I'll check them out at CCEL or so.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NewbieMick said:
Catholics had to be protected from reading them?
Not really. While occasionally they get a bit bizarre, so does Harnack's History of Dogma. That doesn't keep me from reading it. I'm much more concerned about the editing down of books without making it clear that you're only getting part of the book. Augustine on the Psalm is the one I really wish was complete.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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While eating my lunch and surfing through your index, I came across a gem of a quote that will be helpful in a class I'm teaching on the making of the Bible:
When Irenaeus nearly completed writing a book against the Gnostics
entitled, “On the Ogdoad" (a work no longer extant), he makes the following remark, cited by Eusebius in his Church History, that illustrates the
solemn responsibility of copyists to accurately transcribe documents:“I ADJURE thee, who shalt transcribe this book, by our Lord
Jesus Christ, and by His glorious appearing, when He comes to judge the living
and the dead, that thou compare what thou hast transcribed, and be careful to
set it right according to this copy from which thou hast transcribed; also,
that thou in like manner copy down this adjuration, and insert it in the
transcript.”0
