Logos 4: Can I Add a third party libraries intended for Logos 3 and have it recorgnized by Logos 4?

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SteveF | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2009 7:52 PM

That will depend on the size of your PBB collection.

Damian, just a "gentle" question:

Should we be saying anything concrete about PBB's except that they will eventually be available?

We have not yet even been able to beta test the new PBB add-in. (Hopefully available 2nd quarter of 2010).

There are already so many posters here confused because they have "lost" their PBB's.

With respect,

Steve

 

Regards, SteveF

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Damian McGrath | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 15 2009 8:43 PM

Stephen Filyer:

That will depend on the size of your PBB collection.

Damian, just a "gentle" question:

Should we be saying anything concrete about PBB's except that they will eventually be available?

You're right. We don't know whether PBBs will be indexed or anything about them. If they are, then the same rule will apply as for other resources regarding the size of the supplemental index.

I will refrain from such positing.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 16 2009 7:44 AM

Damian McGrath:
You're right. We don't know whether PBBs will be indexed or anything about them.

In the beta group (Logos 4 Philosophy >http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1154/9779.aspx#9779 ) Bob gave us this glimpse into their plans:

Bob Pritchett:

I'm sorry we weren't clear. We ABSOLUTELY intend to support both PBB and SermonFile in a future release. The problem is that PBB in particular uses Internet Explorer for its format and for display. And you've all made it clear how you felt about our reliance on IE, :-), so we need to do some serious work to re-do PBB.

This work will take some time, and the big open question is whether or not we can intelligently and automatically conver the HTML in existing PBB's to our core display engine, and whether or not the inevitable incompatibilities will be acceptable or if we'll need to require them to be rebulit. (My guess is it'll be worth rebuilding/recompiling them.)

The good news is future PBB titles will be built using the exact same format/engine as books we offer, meaning you will get infinitely scrolling books and other important features.

We also intend to have an easy way to share your PBB books with others via the web, but that takes so more code on the server side.

 

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Rick Hogaboam | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 8:09 AM

None of those steps worked. Believe it or not, I uninstalled Logos 4, reinstalled it, even though it took yet another day of waiting, but walaa Sproul showed up in the reinstall.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 8:22 AM

Thomas Black:

Damian McGrath:
You're right. We don't know whether PBBs will be indexed or anything about them.

In the beta group (Logos 4 Philosophy >http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1154/9779.aspx#9779 ) Bob gave us this glimpse into their plans:

Bob Pritchett:

I'm sorry we weren't clear. We ABSOLUTELY intend to support both PBB and SermonFile in a future release. The problem is that PBB in particular uses Internet Explorer for its format and for display. And you've all made it clear how you felt about our reliance on IE, :-), so we need to do some serious work to re-do PBB.

This work will take some time, and the big open question is whether or not we can intelligently and automatically conver the HTML in existing PBB's to our core display engine, and whether or not the inevitable incompatibilities will be acceptable or if we'll need to require them to be rebulit. (My guess is it'll be worth rebuilding/recompiling them.)

The good news is future PBB titles will be built using the exact same format/engine as books we offer, meaning you will get infinitely scrolling books and other important features.

We also intend to have an easy way to share your PBB books with others via the web, but that takes so more code on the server side.

Thomas,  The beta forum link you posted doesn't go anywhere.......

Those paranoid "black helicopter" conspiracy theorists among us wonder if this means it might not happen. Cool It sure sounds ambitious and a welcome capability. Hope the roadmap has not changed. (Remember when Bill Gates shipped his book "The Road Taken"? The included CD-Rom was non-functional. Big Smile ) Even the best laid plans can go awry.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 8:25 AM

Matthew C Jones:
Thomas, The beta forum link nyou posted doesn't go anywhere.......    Those paranoid "black helicopter" conspiracy theorists among us wonder if this means it might not happen.
Hah, you're right.  The problem is that it's a link to the still closed private beta forum.  I can't go back and delete it either.  Ah well, I assure you all that I and the other beta testers can still read and verify for you.

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Chris Elford | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 8:28 AM

Matthew C Jones:

Thomas,  The beta forum link nyou posted doesn't go anywhere.......

Those paranoid "black helicopter" conspiracy theorists among us wonder if this means it might not happen.  It sure sounds ambitious and a welcome capability. Hope the roadmap has not changed. (Remember when Bill Gates shipped his book "The Road Taken"? The included CD-Rom was non-functional. Even the best laid plans can surprise you.

Matthew,

Shut down the motor on that bird!

The reason the link didn't work is because the beta forum is still only accessible to those who were in the beta group. The beta testers advised Logos not to open it up. What Bob has said, he's shown over the years, Bob will do. Don't attribute Gates' integrity to anyone with a "B" at the beginning of their name.

Besides, this commitment to the PBB is not hidden behind the beta wall it is right on the website list of features to come and when: http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures

Chris

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 19 2009 8:41 AM

Chris Elford:
What Bob has said, he's shown over the years, Bob will do. Don't attribute Gates' integrity to anyone with a "B" at the beginning of their name.

 Well said, Chris.    I agree. 

You know there is a reason Bob leads the premiere Bible software company while I sit here in wonder, just now discovering all the cool stuff he has already done.    

Chris Elford:
Shut down the motor on that bird!

No can do. As the last lines in the movie "The World According To Garp" say,    " I'm flying!" Stick out tongue (this bird has flown....)

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Tony Garland | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 8:19 PM

Chris Elford:
If you add something to L3, you'll need to use the "Scan" command in the command box in L4 with the full path to your L3 resources. L4 will scan the files and add any "new" ones you bring in after you initially install L4. When it is initially installed, L4 scans and moves over whatever is "unlocked." Your licenses in L3 are on the Logos server so L4 has them too. L4 won't move "locked" resources over. If you unlock something by buying it, the license on the Logos server is updated and L4 downloads the latest copy of the resource from the server.

I notice on the pre-pub page for a resource it says:

If you're using Logos Bible Software 4, you must choose the DOWNLOAD option. The 3.0 CD-ROM or DVD-ROM requires version 3 of the Libronix Digital Library System.

I'm assuming that is means that if you don't have version 3, then you must choose the version 4 download because the version 3 resource can't be used directly by Logos 4?

But if a person has both Logos 3 and Logos 4, and for various reasons wants to continue to be able to use both, then it would seem they must obtain the resource in version 3 format, but also know it will, once unlocked and synced, also be available in Logos 4?

Is there any scenario where a user with both Logos 3 and Logos 4 could purchase a resource in version 3 format and not be able to access it  in Logos 4 if everything works as it is supposed to?  If there isn't, then doesn't it make the best sense for those who want to continue to use Logos 3 to always purchase new resources in version 3 format so they are available on both?

Just double-checking before I sign up for a new pre-pub. I want to use it in both versions so assume I need to purchase the version 3 format--but would like to know otherwise if I'm misunderstanding how this works.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 9:39 PM

Anthony Garland:
s there any scenario where a user with both Logos 3 and Logos 4 could purchase a resource in version 3 format and not be able to access it  in Logos 4 if everything works as it is supposed to?  If there isn't, then doesn't it make the best sense for those who want to continue to use Logos 3 to always purchase new resources in version 3 format so they are available on both?

Your first Q is tautological - "if everything works as it is supposed to" there is no failure scenario! There are 2 or 3 possible scenarios that would delay the process but you have the scan command in L4 to retrieve the resource from the v3 CD/DVD!

The answer to the second Q is "Yes" because it provides a path to L4, whereas an L4 resource does not provide a path to L3.

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Tony Garland | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Dec 24 2009 9:56 PM

Dave Hooton:
Your first Q is tautological - "if everything works as it is supposed to" there is no failure scenario!

Actually, this is not strictly true. I'm wanting to find out how it is intended to work, rather than how it happens to work at the moment (with possible bugs).  The intention, even when working perfectly, might have required purchasing separate resource formats for each version--although I doubted that would be the case. Smile

Thanks for clarifying that what I suspected was the intention is how it is really supposed to work.

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