Are there any videos or detailed help on building a Handout (without using Passage Guide) ?
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Not as far as I know, Steve.
Right now, the handouts interface is pretty limited.During the beta, we made noise about getting more control over what is included/excluded and so on. This resulted in some changes, but I think the Logos guys have been too busy working on other parts of the program to give handouts much TLC so far.
steveclark: Are there any videos or detailed help on building a Handout (without using Passage Guide) ?
well...we'll just say there is a lack of love for the Handouts in there current incarnation. I'm not sure about any videos.
steveclark:Are there any videos or detailed help on building a Handout (without using Passage Guide) ?
Handouts are not quite ready for Prime Time so I'd suggest you not waste your time. The information you can select from is often not what you'd want, and though you have some control over what you can choose and its order, the fact seems to be that you are going to get much that you want and not in very easy fashion. The app. is better now than when we were in the beta but still not worth your time. What I will do is create handouts using another program and copying and pasting what I want into that program.
I believe Bob stated that handouts were meant for people who just wanted something to handout when they met in small group without having to do much to produce them. I wouldn't even do that.
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I agree, it is very limited on what can be entered or even changed. No way to bring maps from other books, cannot change the people diagrams, etc.
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Guess i'll stick with Word.
steveclark:Guess i'll stick with Word.
Have you tried Publisher? Much more flexibility.
Can't wait to be able to simply copy and paste some of the images into by handouts there.
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Maybe, but Publisher is useless if you want to be able to distribute your creation electronically. (Unless, of course, you make it into a PDF).
Nigel Cunningham: Maybe, but Publisher is useless if you want to be able to distribute your creation electronically. (Unless, of course, you make it into a PDF).
And how does that make it a poor workaround for handouts in Logos 4.0?
Mark A. Smith:Handouts are not quite ready for Prime Time so I'd suggest you not waste your time.
I'm feeling a bit of contrarianism coming on ... because they are not quite ready, isn't this when our input has the greatest chance for change? [I hold to the half-a-glass full theory of the world]
Damian McGrath: Nigel Cunningham: Maybe, but Publisher is useless if you want to be able to distribute your creation electronically. (Unless, of course, you make it into a PDF). And how does that make it a poor workaround for handouts in Logos 4.0?
Just that on an accessibility scale, I would think it would go...
1) More people have OpenOffice or Word (and probably have them already installed) and so more people will be able to open a word document.
2) The handout can be printed to a PDF and distributed without the recipients needing Logos.
3) There are no free viewers - as far as I know - for Publisher documents, and no opensource programs (as far as I know) can open them.
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Nigel
Nigel Cunningham: Just that on an accessibility scale, I would think it would go... 1) More people have OpenOffice or Word (and probably have them already installed) and so more people will be able to open a word document. 2) The handout can be printed to a PDF and distributed without the recipients needing Logos. 3) There are no free viewers - as far as I know - for Publisher documents, and no opensource programs (as far as I know) can open them.
Fair enough Nigel. When I need to electronically distribute Publisher I print to PDF - the same as I would have to do with Logos Handouts.
But, I will never produce a handout in Word or in OpenOffice. I simply do not have enough control over item placement nor, in Word at least, the ability to finetune line spacing, etc. Image manipulation in Publisher is also far superior to image manipulation in Word and this is integral to my production of handouts.
If I were looking for a tool to do what the handout function in Logos is trying to do, I would still go Publisher.
I believe that Serif (www.serif.com) produce a number of desktop publishing programs. I believe that their latest desktop publisher will even load .pdf documents and you can edit them from their.
The desktop publisher is called "Page Plus X4" - I have notused the latest versions.
Something to think about anyway especially if you don't want to use Microsofts packages or have to buy one of their Office programs just for a DT publisher.
For what it's worth, I agree with you about accuracy of placement. if I wanted to do something like this - especially something where I cared a lot about placement - I wouldn't use OOWriter or Word either. I'd use the OOImpress (the Powerpoint equivalent in OpenOffice). Set the slide size to A4 and off you go! :)
Nigel Cunningham: For what it's worth, I agree with you about accuracy of placement. if I wanted to do something like this - especially something where I cared a lot about placement - I wouldn't use OOWriter or Word either. I'd use the OOImpress (the Powerpoint equivalent in OpenOffice). Set the slide size to A4 and off you go! :)
That's a good suggestion.
One could also try Scribus which is really the OO equivalent of Publisher. I've tried but I've been using MSPub for so long I can't change my way of thinking - the booklet creation functionality of MSPub is also far superior.
Ian's suggestion of a Serif product is a good one - I know that their SE version of PagePlus is free and the full version only $10 (much cheaper than Publisher)
Just for those who weren't in the beta...Bob P said flat out that Handouts weren't supposed to rival or replace a word processing program...they are a quick and dirty way to get a handout sheet.
He said that it didn't make sense to compete in the "word processing market" that they couldn't do it effectively nor at a reasonable cost.
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Damian McGrath: One could also try Scribus which is really the OO equivalent of Publisher. I've tried but I've been using MSPub for so long I can't change my way of thinking - the booklet creation functionality of MSPub is also far superior. Ian's suggestion of a Serif product is a good one - I know that their SE version of PagePlus is free and the full version only $10 (much cheaper than Publisher)
Yeah, I've tried Scribus too, but it didn't rate highly on the usability scale as far as I was concerned - not intuitive enough.
Haven't heard of Serif before now.
Good point, Robert.
There's still the issue, though, of getting the handouts into a format in which we can do the tweaking etc that we want to do.
Hello everyone.
I can seem to only make a two page handout. Is that one of the current limitations or is there something I'm not doing correctly?
Thanks.
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Hi Colin.
I think you're supposed to be able to add more pages by clicking "Pages" on the top right corner. For me (SR5), it crashes the app though.
Hi Nigel,
On the top right are the options for "Pages" or "Sheets". When I click on them the preview changes (I see only one page if I click on Pages, and I see two pages if I click on Sheets.) There is more information to be printed in the Handout file than would fit on two sheets (be it in Booklet format or Sheet format--which should not be confused with "Sheets" mentioned earlier) but I can only get the first two pages to print. I need to manually delete the information on the first two pages and then print the next two (and so on I would guess) to get all the information printed.