Michael Horton- The Christian Faith

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 9 2011 12:41 PM

How about getting Horton's The Christian Faith on L4, soon and very soon?

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David C. Rowe | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2011 10:43 AM

Yes, please!

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2011 11:28 AM

Ditto!

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Brian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2011 12:01 PM

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Todd Phillips | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 16 2011 12:46 PM

Absolutely. 

Zondervan is the publisher, though.  They don't license books easily or quickly.

It seems like this book is requested awfully frequently.  I think the business case writes itself (eh, Zondervan?):

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28704.aspx

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/29167.aspx

(of course, the same could be said for Mounce's Greek textbooks from Zondervan, and those aren't available either)

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 16 2012 3:40 PM

Todd Phillips:
Zondervan is the publisher, though.  They don't license books easily or quickly.

Just noticed that Horton is in the Zondervan Theology Collection, which might be about as small a bundle as we'll see until they break them loose as singles.

  http://www.logos.com/product/17193/zondervan-theology-collection

 

 

 

 

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 17 2012 8:49 AM

Doc B:

Just noticed that Horton is in the Zondervan Theology Collection, which might be about as small a bundle as we'll see until they break them loose as singles.

  http://www.logos.com/product/17193/zondervan-theology-collection

I will buy this set because of Horton, Kostenberger, and Carson.  The others are meh.  There is one I wish I could throw back (it will get an immediate "UGH" MyTag).

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 17 2012 10:06 AM

JRS:
There is one I wish I could throw back (it will get an immediate "UGH" MyTag).

Let me guess- Olsen.

Me too.

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Alan Charles Gielczyk | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 17 2012 12:47 PM

Did you all hear the conversation between Horton and Olsen on The White Horse Inn in January? I will be happy to have Olsen's book to see how he responds to Horton.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 18 2012 3:16 PM

Alan Charles Gielczyk:

Did you all hear the conversation between Horton and Olsen on The White Horse Inn in January? I will be happy to have Olsen's book to see how he responds to Horton.

Horton's and Olson's books are looking at the same questions from opposite angles, and each author wrote the foreword to the other one's book, that's remarkable. However, it's still two different books and not a sort of "counterpoints - two views on Calvinism" ripped apart in two books. So you may not find Olsen actually responding to Horton (or vice versa) - however, most of the arguments on both sides are well-known and addressed.

I have both in Kindle format since they came out on Amazon late last year - didn't even think of Zondervan bringing those to Logos, let alone within a few months!

That makes it difficult for me to justify the buying of the theology collection http://www.logos.com/product/17193/zondervan-theology-collection - after all, this are $125 and there's only one book I'm really interested in, Horton's Systematic Theology (but then, how many reformed STs does one need?). Maybe they break the collection up after the Prepubs have been shipped.... I'm undecided.

 

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JRS | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 18 2012 3:59 PM

NewbieMick:
it's still two different books and not a sort of "counterpoints - two views on Calvinism" ripped apart in two books. So you may not find Olsen actually responding to Horton (or vice versa) - however, most of the arguments on both sides are well-known and addressed.

I think NewbieMick sums the pair up very well  ...  not much new ground  ...  not much interaction.  About as satisfying as taking a shower in a raincoat.  But that's just my opinion, others may find them quite stimulating.

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On a different topic (but related to my post above):

I would love to see L4 collections assembled differently.  Rather than somebody's 'guess' at what would sell or what I might want to buy, assign each resource a pricing algorithm such that CUSTOMERS could select what any given collection would ultimately contain.  I can envision different scenarios such as:

1) A publisher (or Logos)-defined collection which could have unwanted resources removed from it.  As each book is removed, the algorithm would adjust the price in real time before I press the 'Purchase' button.  IOW, I could select the Z Theology Collection and be able to delete the titles that don't really spin my propeller.  The price would be reduced (but obviously not by the full sum of the parts).  So if I could delete, say, Olsen and Grudem from the collection, I might see a $20 discount, for example.

2) A publisher (or Logos)-defined collection which could have other resources added to it.  Again, as new books are added to the base collection, the algorithm would adjust the price in real time.  Similar to 1) above, but I would enjoy discounted pricing on each new resource because I am adding to a predefined collection.

3) A start-from-zero-assemble-it-yourself collection where the buyer can experiment by adding or deleting different resources in order to fit a budget.  Some books would require a very large purchase of other resources in order to see a significant discount because they are huge sellers/cash cows and one would expect very limited discounting.  Others, like non-copyrighted materials, might require very little additional titles to see significant discounts.

... just my 2 cents  

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 18 2012 4:49 PM

NewbieMick:

I have both in Kindle format since they came out on Amazon late last year - didn't even think of Zondervan bringing those to Logos, let alone within a few months!

That's my dilemma, but in a different set of Books... do I buy now for the kindle, or wait for Logos to break apart the collection? I was looking at the NIC by Bruce on Hebrews where I have the hard copy set, but would like it in an electronic version too. The Kindle books are getting better, this one has all the notes tagged.

NewbieMick:
there's only one book I'm really interested in, Horton's Systematic Theology

Carson's monster book "The Gagging of God" I think is also worth getting, that's what sold me on getting it. Comeon reading Olson isn't all that bad Smile, it's always good to hear from the other perspective. Or so I'm told Stick out tongue

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 19 2012 6:39 AM

Ralph Mauch:
reading Olson isn't all that bad Smile,

Actually I like him very much, have some of his writings in paper and follow his blog. He praises Horton a lot. I do like Horton as well, especially when he doesn't write about Calvinism (but "For Calvinism" is a nice read and does better than most other Calvinists in terms of fairly presenting the other side). 

Ralph Mauch:
Carson's monster book "The Gagging of God" I think is also worth getting

While I enjoy Carson a lot as a writer, the reading samples on Amazon thoroughly failed to convince me of this book. It sounded more like a rant against postmodern times, drowned in a sea of weird statistics, facts and quotes. Maybe it gets better within, but some of the reviews leave me sceptical.

 

EDIT: I see that this post now identifies me as NB.Mick - since I'm here for around a year and nearing 1,000 posts, I thought I give in to those that found "Newbie" somewhat inappropriate. The change was earlier this week, but the forum software took its time to update the profile...

 

 

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 19 2012 1:41 PM

JRS:

NewbieMick:
it's still two different books and not a sort of "counterpoints - two views on Calvinism" ripped apart in two books. So you may not find Olsen actually responding to Horton (or vice versa) - however, most of the arguments on both sides are well-known and addressed.

I think NewbieMick sums the pair up very well  ...  not much new ground  ...  not much interaction.  About as satisfying as taking a shower in a raincoat.  But that's just my opinion, others may find them quite stimulating.

------------------

On a different topic (but related to my post above):

I would love to see L4 collections assembled differently.  Rather than somebody's 'guess' at what would sell or what I might want to buy, assign each resource a pricing algorithm such that CUSTOMERS could select what any given collection would ultimately contain.  I can envision different scenarios such as:

1) A publisher (or Logos)-defined collection which could have unwanted resources removed from it.  As each book is removed, the algorithm would adjust the price in real time before I press the 'Purchase' button.  IOW, I could select the Z Theology Collection and be able to delete the titles that don't really spin my propeller.  The price would be reduced (but obviously not by the full sum of the parts).  So if I could delete, say, Olsen and Grudem from the collection, I might see a $20 discount, for example.

2) A publisher (or Logos)-defined collection which could have other resources added to it.  Again, as new books are added to the base collection, the algorithm would adjust the price in real time.  Similar to 1) above, but I would enjoy discounted pricing on each new resource because I am adding to a predefined collection.

3) A start-from-zero-assemble-it-yourself collection where the buyer can experiment by adding or deleting different resources in order to fit a budget.  Some books would require a very large purchase of other resources in order to see a significant discount because they are huge sellers/cash cows and one would expect very limited discounting.  Others, like non-copyrighted materials, might require very little additional titles to see significant discounts.

... just my 2 cents  

 

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I like this idea, Logos and the publishers would get more of my money that way. I am not buying a 9 book collection just for two books I really want.

I am done buying collections that I do not need just for a "greater" discount.

To add to what you said, there could be a minimum amount to spend and the greater the amount the greater the discount. Something like the Christmas offer.

that way, Logos and the publisher will still get volume sales but there will be more customization and less waste

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 29 2012 9:58 AM

Doc B:

How about getting Horton's The Christian Faith on L4, soon and very soon?

(Doing best impression of Jack Buck)->  Go Crazy Folks!!!  Go Crazy!!!

 

https://www.logos.com/product/26683/the-christian-faith-a-systematic-theology-for-pilgrims-on-the-way

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