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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Jun 6 2009 3:05 PM

After sleeping on it .....these are terrible... impossible to navigate and follow a converstation... impossible to know what you have and haven't read.......with a limited number of posts in here I'm alredy lost trying to work this out... too many mouse clicks to move from post to another post... a newsreader you can quickly see with a scroll of the mouse all posts and once and select which post you want to move to  while still having focus on a specific thread.. in here you can't even logically follow a conversation/thread....they are not very user friendly at all... no instructions on general usage or what the options really  mean... at least newsreaders come with a help file...I really don't understand how anyone thinks these things are easier to use than a newsgroup reader

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 4:05 PM

Andrew,

Give it a week, at least. Just to look like you're giving it a fair chance.

 

Then condemn it.Wink

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 4:06 PM

While I'm somewhat inclined to agree, I'm not sure I've given it enough of a chance.   These aren't the easiest to navigate.  Some seem very much to prefer this option so I'll give it a whirl. 

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 4:10 PM

Yeah, first will try him; then we'll hang him.

 

Big Smile

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 7:42 PM

Time for foot in mouth.  I agree that the forums are not as useful as the newsgroups; however, there is a work around for part of your concern.  You can follow a thread and track with articles you have read by having them forwarded to an email account. 

Of course, having done that, there is not way to reply to an article without coming back to the forums and spend time finding the article you want to respond to in that venue.  That is not easy to do, though I have not tried searching for a particular post based on its contents.  If the contents could be copied from the e-mailed article into the search box and a search completed relatively quickly, it may become less of an issue.

Just brainstormingIdea - I have not tried this as of yet.

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Floyd

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 8:00 PM

Have you all tried the RSS feeds? It's easier to view that then the webpages, and then go the the webpage view from the RSS view. I've not done too much with the RSS feeds, but  have seen it's advantage when looking at blogs. Also, it seems to allow you to look at the direct responses to various posts.

I'm not sure, but sometimes some technology seems as though it's a step back... at my job they are insisting we use web based queries, or I should say it's an option to continue the way we use to query until next month when they won't update the database Big Smile. You got to love it.Confused I'm all for new technology if it' makes life easier, but not the other way around!Crying

If nothing else, the emotics or what ever you call them, are fun Cool.

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jun 6 2009 8:34 PM

RalphMauch:

Have you all tried the RSS feeds? It's easier to view that then the webpages, and then go the the webpage view from the RSS view. I've not done too much with the RSS feeds, but  have seen it's advantage when looking at blogs. Also, it seems to allow you to look at the direct responses to various posts.

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If nothing else, the emotics or what ever you call them, are fun Cool.

Blessings,

Ralph

Yeah, I put the RSS feeds into Thunderbird (had to copy/paste, since clicking on the links didn't work). But It only shows one page of posts and will not allow replies. Maybe I need to try a different RSS reader, but I'm not sure I'm ready for yet another layer between me and a simple conversation.

Emoticons are fun, and a bit silly (IMHO). But they need to get that devil out of the list, else I'll have to cast out the whole idea.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 12:33 AM

I have no idea on how to do what you are suggesting Ralph.. I just tried RSS feed in Outlook, IE and Google Reader all I seem to get is the orginal message in the feed and to go any futher actually have to go into the fourm to see any repsones.. It really shouldn't be something where you have to use multiple interfaces and it actaully doesn't solve issue anyway...at least from what I can see...appreciate though you trying to come up with one.

 

RalphMauch:

Have you all tried the RSS feeds? It's easier to view that then the webpages, and then go the the webpage view from the RSS view. I've not done too much with the RSS feeds, but  have seen it's advantage when looking at blogs. Also, it seems to allow you to look at the direct responses to various posts.

I'm not sure, but sometimes some technology seems as though it's a step back... at my job they are insisting we use web based queries, or I should say it's an option to continue the way we use to query until next month when they won't update the database Big Smile. You got to love it.Confused I'm all for new technology if it' makes life easier, but not the other way around!Crying

If nothing else, the emotics or what ever you call them, are fun Cool.

Blessings,

Ralph

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 12:42 AM

A week ?  If I wait a week, I mighten be so subdued in my assessment.... I am just totally dumbfounded  Confused how anyone can think this is 'better' than the newsgroups or that newsgroups are difficult to use...you only need to point the newsgroup reader to the server and your away.. these forums feel like you are in the middle of a room of 1000 people all talking at you at once..Confused you have no idea of what anyone is actually saying or who they are actually directing their conversation...Huh?

 

Richard DeRuiter:

Andrew,

Give it a week, at least. Just to look like you're giving it a fair chance.

 

Then condemn it.Wink

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Ralph Mauch | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 11:16 AM

Well, it's not as good as the New Group was, just trying a few things myself to get use to the feel of things. The tabs are worthwhile, but I'm still waiting myself for someone to convince me that this is better, and why I should love it Smile I like the newsgroups because of navigation and simplicity... here it seems like a big production to simply ask a question. At least I finally figured out how to use the google spell check... I had a left-side stroke last year so I'm still getting the brain rewired and am lost with out that thingSmile

Waiting to see how good it can get hereBig Smile, I was going to use that devil icon just to irritate Rich, but naaaaWink

Blessings,

Ralph

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Donovan R. Palmer | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 12:11 PM

AndrewMckenzie:
A week ?  If I wait a week, I mighten be so subdued in my assessment.... I am just totally dumbfounded  Confused how anyone can think this is 'better' than the newsgroups or that newsgroups are difficult to use...you only need to point the newsgroup reader to the server and your away.. these forums feel like you are in the middle of a room of 1000 people all talking at you at once..Confused you have no idea of what anyone is actually saying or who they are actually directing their conversation...Huh?

The trouble is this: I have a friend who owns an ISP and he has told me that less than 1% of his user base uses NNTP (Usenet) News. The reason for this is that most people don't know how to use the internet beyond web browsers and an email client.

So it was inevitable that Logos would eventually set up a web forum because even if the percentage of Logos users who do know how to use NNTP is artificially high compared to other demographic, the reality is that it would be hard to conceive that it would be even more than half the user base. So to reach out to its majority customer base, Logos set up web forums.

So where does that leave us? The trouble is, I agree with you and other current NNTP users. NNTP is argueably the most efficient way to handle forums and for us in the minority who are comfortable in using NNTP, using a web forum is a step backwards. What could have been done (and I might say should have been done), was for Logos to implement a solution that allows for BOTH.  There are several solutions out there that allow for users to interact with each other using the web and NNTP simultaneously on the same forums. I believe Lyris is one of these solutions and someone on here mentioned in another thread there are others.

If Logos is unwilling to consider this option, then they will either just settle for having two different forums (and chances are that this web forum will be the busiest due to sheer numbers), or they will pull the plug on their existing NNTP forum thereby forcing everyone in this direction.

Personally, I prefer NNTP. Business wise, I completely understand why Logos is setting up a web forum and if I was in their shoes, I would do the same thing, but allow for NNTP access.

The Logos gang read these forums, so it will be interesting to see what they say. It may be within their systems that setting up a simultaneous NNTP/web solution would not work for some reason that is not known to us.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 12:30 PM

Donovan R. Palmer:

The trouble is this: I have a friend who owns an ISP and he has told me that less than 1% of his user base uses NNTP (Usenet) News. The reason for this is that most people don't know how to use the internet beyond web browsers and an email client.

So it was inevitable that Logos would eventually set up a web forum because even if the percentage of Logos users who do know how to use NNTP is artificially high compared to other demographic, the reality is that it would be hard to conceive that it would be even more than half the user base. So to reach out to its majority customer base, Logos set up web forums.

The NNTP News is simplicity itself.  The only thing which is the least bit difficult (and that not very) is setting up the account.  If someone is having trouble setting up their news reader, I will be happy to come to their house to set it up for them if they will send me an airline ticket.  Hopefully, they will also be so kind as to prepare a dinner -- Steak (medium rare), large baked potato with lots of butter, brocolli with cheese sause, strong coffee and, of course, a bit of *** Red.  Please hurry to send the ticket since I'm getting hungry already and I just finished eating!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 12:32 PM

That was D-a-g-o Red.  Apparently this software is politically correct.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 7 2009 4:23 PM

ahhh, Dayglo Red. Good one!

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J.R. Miller | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 10 2009 3:26 PM

Here is something that I found most helpful.

I set "Mail" to show incoming email as "threads". Now all my emails from this forum are listed in one threaded discussion in my inbox (one could have them automatically moved to a different mailbox as well).  At any rate, I am able to read posts in threaded form and then simply click the link of the one I want to reply to.

It works well for my needs at least and maybe it will help some folks make the transition.Smile

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Rich DeRuiter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jun 11 2009 7:12 AM

Joe Miller:

Here is something that I found most helpful.

I set "Mail" to show incoming email as "threads". Now all my emails from this forum are listed in one threaded discussion in my inbox (one could have them automatically moved to a different mailbox as well).  At any rate, I am able to read posts in threaded form and then simply click the link of the one I want to reply to.

It works well for my needs at least and maybe it will help some folks make the transition.Smile

Considering that I view the newsgroups in my email client (Thunderbird), this certainly is a strike against these forums. I've got your solution now, but better, since I don't have to access these forums to respond. I just hit reply and it gets posted (after I refresh the current view, of course).

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Brian Whalen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 19 2009 10:46 PM

I'm reminded of the book Who Moved My Cheese.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 21 2009 8:14 PM

BrianWhalen:

I'm reminded of the book Who Moved My Cheese.

What is it, a kid's book?

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David Emme | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 22 2009 12:12 AM

I would give a suggestion or two. Why not have both or is there a way to integrate the forums into a "newsgroup" type way of looking at things if this is better for one person. Another ideal is if we can make this like say yahoo groups when a new post comes on, we just get this in an email if we so choose to do so. I am used to yahoo way of doing things. Just ideas. Not geeky enough to know if any of these will work. I think things will get worked out for the better here.

God bless

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jun 24 2009 5:38 AM

i never used the newsgroups because . . . I have never used them.  didn't know how, didn't know where, and so, it was never helpful to me.  I saw this forum promoted on teh blog, and clicked the link and now I have used it several times. 

I am not against newsgroups.  I just never used them.

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