What's happened to the Ratzinger collection?

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fgh | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Dec 14 2011 9:39 AM

It used to be 15 vols for $134.95. Now it's 14 vols for $125.95. And I can't find the first volume of Jesus of Nazareth. I never saved a list of what used to be included, but surely that one was? Odd volume to remove.

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Andrew Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2011 9:50 AM

The first volume of Jesus of Nazareth was removed from the collection for copy right reasons. We are hopeful, however, that we will be able to offer it separately soon.

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Friedrich | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2011 9:59 AM

that's always a bummer.  I own the two Jesus volumes in hardcopy, but would have loved them all digitally.  Sigh.  Thanks for letting us know, though, Andrew.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 6:01 AM

Thanks for the fast reply (faster than mine... Embarrassed)! 

Like Dan says, it's a disappointment. Even more so when it's one part of a series. And I have to wonder why this happens again and again. Is it really so hard to make sure you have the correct rights contracted before you put things up for sale? 

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 6:46 AM

fgh:

. . . Is it really so hard to make sure you have the correct rights contracted before you put things up for sale? 

The disturbing trend continues.

The removal of the book reduced the collection price a total of $9.00.  If, and when, it is offered for individual sale, this same book likely will be priced between $15 to $25.  Nice business practice, Logos.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 7:48 AM

Hapax Legomena:
The removal of the book reduced the collection price a total of $9.00.  If, and when, it is offered for individual sale, this same book likely will be priced between $15 to $25.  Nice business practice, Logos.

I don't think this was a trick by Logos - after all the needn't put it in in the firstplace. And selling the individual volume apart from the collection would be possible (and economic) anyway - and depending on the price it might even attract customers to buy the collection that includes it. 

Actually they now have the second volume in the collection and the first one not. What disturbs me more is the "hopefully soon" part... A much more plausible scenario to me is that when "Jesus 1" hit the market with a huge success, someone at the publisher sold electronic distribution rights for this one book to another software company - foolishly including some sort of exclusivity. They forgot about that, now they negotiated the bulk of Ratzinger's work with Logos and as we near delivery, someone took an old contract out of a drawer and said: stop.

If the publisher and/or Logos now need to renegotiate to buy someone else out, "soon" can be very Logos-soon (read: they'd like to deliver today rather than tomorrow, but circumstances not fully under their control result in months of delay).  

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 7:53 AM

Hapax Legomena:
it is offered for individual sale, this same book likely will be priced between $15 to $25.  Nice business practice, Logos.

...encouraging you to go for the collection rather than the individual book right?  I believe every store on the planet enacts this when you save a percentage by buying two of something rather than buying just one.  Its normal and accepted.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding; can you tell me how this would be morally objectionable??

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:15 AM

Paul Newsome:

 Maybe I'm misunderstanding; can you tell me how this would be morally objectionable??

Logos offers a book for sale they don't have the rights to.  Then, if past practice is a guide, if it ever becomes available, Logos will likely sell the book at a price much greater than it had originally offered it.

 

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:26 AM

I see what you're saying... maybe they'll bundle it back in before it ships.  They've done this before a handful of times (a small handful) Wink

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:32 AM

Hapax Legomena:
Logos offers a book for sale they don't have the rights to.  Then, if past practice is a guide, if it ever becomes available, Logos will likely sell the book at a price much greater than it had originally offered it.

It is possible the "rights holder" Logos was dealing with represented to Logos they indeed held the rights they were licensing. It is probably a perfectly innocent mistake on both sides of the table. The true rights holder waited until all work was completed and then stepped up with their rightful claim. When property owners sell their houses to clear the way for a new airport or shopping mall, the hold-outs usually get more money from the developer.

Amazon did this with George Orwell's "1984" on the Kindle. Amazon confiscated it from Kindle owners. At least Logos discovered this before they delivered something they do not have rights to sell and went back to negotiate with the legal owner.

Neither the Pope nor Logos benefits from this snag. This stuff happens. It is called a "m-i-s-t-a-k-e."

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:43 AM

What's also very disappointing is that they virtually never seem to do the decent thing and send out an e-mail alerting us to the change in our order. We always seem to have to find these things out for ourselves and alert each other. There may be people out there who don't find this bundle worth the price any more. They shouldn't have to find out a book is missing after their credit card has been charged! Somehow it feels like Logos is hoping that if they don't tell us none of us will notice... 

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:54 AM

I might agree with you that this was a mere "mistake" if this sort of thing happened only once or twice.  But Logos has offered books it didn't have the rights to quite a few times.  Rather than a "mistake," it's beginning to look like a business practice.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 10:57 AM

fgh:
What's also very disappointing is that they virtually never seem to do the decent thing and send out an e-mail alerting us to the change in our order. We always seem to have to find these things out for ourselves and alert each other

Fgh,

actually, this is the third time I recall this happening with a collection within the last half year or so (sad enough). One was the Simcox collection, the other one was the Desiderius Erasmus collection. Both times I received an email from Logos and I can imagine having one re Ratzinger in my mailbox on Monday.

fgh:
They shouldn't have to find out a book is missing after their credit card has been charged!
As I said, I don't recall any instance of this happening - let alone this being the usual way. But I was not in on many of the larger collections that shipped in 2011 - maybe you can give examples where it happened to you recently?

Mick

 

 

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Jim L. West | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 11:01 AM

fgh:

What's also very disappointing is that they virtually never seem to do the decent thing and send out an e-mail alerting us to the change in our order. We always seem to have to find these things out for ourselves and alert each other. There may be people out there who don't find this bundle worth the price any more. They shouldn't have to find out a book is missing after their credit card has been charged! Somehow it feels like Logos is hoping that if they don't tell us none of us will notice... 

Not true. I have gotten e-mails fairly often saying that some book has been removed from a collection, and how it would effect the price.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 11:31 AM

Hapax Legomena:
  I might agree with you that this was a mere "mistake" if this sort of thing happened only once or twice.  But Logos has offered books it didn't have the rights to quite a few times.  Rather than a "mistake," it's beginning to look like a business practice. 

A "few" times is understandable when you consider the soon-to-be 20,000 books Logos has published. Most Bible software companies don't have the courage to publish thousands of copyrighted works. WordSearch did an email sale once for The Portable Seminary.They had to pull the sale within two hours of the email because of a "rights" snafu,

Logos had to pull a couple of titles from the G.K. Chesterton Collection (ask MJ which they were)  The international copyright laws make securing resell rights across national boundaries a complicated process. I suspect the Pope and Chesterton's works are marketed under several different licenses. This will all be simplified when a one-world government is in place.  Tongue Tied I would rather cut Logs some slack and live with a few more mistakes,

 

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 12:25 PM

Super Tramp:

. . . I would rather cut Logs some slack and live with a few more mistakes . . .

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 12:47 PM

Hapax Legomena:
Super Tramp:
. . . I would rather cut Logs some slack and live with a few more mistakes . . .

Can I work as your income tax preparer?

You can if I am around to need one under the one-world government. Devil

 

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Pam Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:05 AM

Last time I checked my pre-pubs this collection was scheduled to ship on 1/16/2012. I checked today and it's back to "Under Development". Anyone know why? It would be nice if they do manage to add back the first Jesus volume.

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Hapax Legomena | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 7:09 AM

Now ships 1/19/12.

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