It's become so sluggish!

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:11 AM

Logos 4 got so sluggish nowadays that almost I can't use it. 

Is my computer the culprit or the Logos 4?

 

AMD Phenom X4  9650 Quad core process, Win 7, 8 gig. 64 gig SSD.

 

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toughski | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:28 AM

what seems to be the problem?

It appears your computer has plenty of muscle, but I have read about earlier SSD having performance issues after a while.  It affects smaller capacity SSDs more than larger ones and Samsung controllers seem to be really bad.

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Paul N | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:31 AM

Are you running the current Logos Beta?

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steve clark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:33 AM

Hi Bokman,

you may want to try some of the ideas here in this wiki page: Speeding up Logos 4 responses

Also take a look at this wiki page: Logos Running Slowly

QLinks, Bibl2, LLR, Macros
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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:38 AM

It's not a beta.

It seems taking some time, about 5 minutes, to be ready fully after the initial opening of the program. 

I got "not responding" messages then; now it works ok.

I guess it might be the cause that I have the library in other hard drive. I moved the Logos library fold from C drive to other drive to give some room to 64 SSD C drive.

 

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 8:41 AM

@ Steve,

Thanks for your tip! 

I'll look into that!.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 2:05 PM

My tablet is very show to show highlighting, especially if I am highlighting quickly. My i5 spikes to 100% and stays there for a while. It is also slow to open a layout, and if I try to use it before it is "Ready", it usually crashes. My i7 desktop fairs better, but it also isn't speedy.

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 2:16 PM

Dear Brother Ward, 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I guess Logos 4 is a bit bulky due to its enormous size of data. Yes, it is really a big program handling  more than 10 gigs each time in my case. I guess I should be patient with it for now till I get a real heavy duty machine that is made with a dual i7 cpu board with 16 gig memory and 2 gig video card.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 2:36 PM

Bokman Han:
I guess it might be the cause that I have the library in other hard drive. I moved the Logos library fold from C drive to other drive to give some room to 64 SSD C drive.

That would not account for the 5 minutes; HD's are not that slow!

Bokman Han:
I got "not responding" messages then; now it works ok.

Enable logging http://wiki.logos.com/Diagnostic_Logging. If it occurs again upload the logos4.log.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 2:40 PM

Bokman Han:
I guess I should be patient with it for now till I get a real heavy duty machine that is made with a dual i7 cpu board with 16 gig memory and 2 gig video card.

I hope you didn't do that just for Logos because you might be disappointed; the Forums have many tales of woe from users with a "super computer".

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 2:45 PM

That's just my dream, which may come true someday. SmileSmile

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 16 2011 4:31 PM

toughski:
It appears your computer has plenty of muscle, but I have read about earlier SSD having performance issues after a while.  It affects smaller capacity SSDs more than larger ones and Samsung controllers seem to be really bad.

Wiki has Mac Troubleshooting => Slow Performance includes:

  • Solid State Disk Reconditioning - older Solid State Disks (SSD) may need periodic reconditioning (during searching, Logos 4 can create many small temp files)

May 2009 SSD performance article => http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9132668/Analysis_SSD_performance_is_a_slowdown_inevitable_

Bokman Han:
AMD Phenom X4  9650 Quad core process, Win 7, 8 gig. 64 gig SSD.

Noted CPU was introduced on 27 Mar 2008 => http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20X4%209650%20-%20HD9650WCJ4BGH%20%28HD9650WCGHBOX%29.html

Looking at a CPU intensive benchmark comparison, appears AMD Phenom X4 9650 is a tad faster than Logos 4 recommended system => http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Linux-Gzip,842.html

Currently Logos 4 is a 32 bit application; personally downloaded free RAMDisk software and configured a 640 MB R: RAM Disk for temporary file use by my Windows 7 standard user.  After changing user environment variables (TEMP and TMP), Logos 4 searches are now writing temporary files to RAM instead of disk; RAMDisk configuration includes writing to/from disk when restarting computer so temporary files have persistence across reboots.

Note: my RAM disk has 112 MB of files after several months of use.  Also tend to have ~3 GB of RAM used as cache by 64 bit Windows 7 on a laptop with 8 GB of RAM installed.

Likewise partitioned my hard drive so the fastest partition has custom Logos 4 installation and Windows 7 page file => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/24555/295852.aspx#295852

Keep Smiling Smile

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 17 2011 7:51 AM

Brother toughski,

Thanks you for sharing a great tip for making Logos 4 running faster.

I'll try it.

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 17 2011 7:52 AM

By the way, what RAMDisk software do you use?

Any recommendation?

Thanks in advance.

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Ward Walker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 17 2011 5:10 PM

Ward Walker:

My tablet is very show to show highlighting, especially if I am highlighting quickly. My i5 spikes to 100% and stays there for a while. It is also slow to open a layout, and if I try to use it before it is "Ready", it usually crashes. My i7 desktop fairs better, but it also isn't speedy.

In the hopes that a Logos developer has the time to look into the lengthy delays that I face when using L4Win and highlighting on an i5 Win7 Tablet, I'll attach a log file from a simple session tonight.

 I opened Logos and after about 2 min for the program to start up,

I used it for 22 minutes, highlighting a chapter of text in the ESV and sometimes consulting Biblical Places.

 No highlighting appeared as I applied it.

 Instead, after 18 minutes of work [during which Logos kept all 4 processors at nearly 100%], I stopped for 4 minutes to let L4Win catch up--it then applied all the highlighting at once.  I closed a floating window and shut down Logos.

  I could have probably worked for far longer before Logos caught up and displayed the highlighting, but at a certain point I am unable to keep working because I can't keep a mental picture of the highlighting that I've already applied.

Please, please, please Logos developers...optimize a release soon so that the program is more responsive to applying highlights.455840.Logos4.log

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 17 2011 5:32 PM

Bokman Han:
By the way, what RAMDisk software do you use?

Keep Smiling Smile

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Bokman Han | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 5:56 AM

Thanks Brother Toughski!

I have installed it and it seems working great and Logos 4 hasn't show sings of sluggishness yet though I have my computer running overnight. Usually, when my computer stays running overnight or waken up from sleep, Logos 4 becomes very unresponsive. But this morning it works fine.

If anyone experiences sluggishness of Logos 4, try RamDisk software. It might be the answer till Logos team does something to solve the problem.

 

 

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 6:34 AM

Glad to read RAMDisk improved Logos 4 responsiveness.Geeked

After looking at my Temp usage, changed my RAMDisk size to 324 MB along with deleting Temp contents.

Keep Smiling Smile

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Bill Cook | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 2 2012 2:11 PM

Not sure how to do this KS4J.

Would you mind giving very specific steps to setting up your RAM Disk? I am running Win7-64 with 8GB RAM

I have installed RAMDisk, but am not sure how to proceed. The instructions seem to be conflicting in some parts... use this feature but not if you intend to do this....

If I run RAM Disk and create a RAM disk and tell it to create a TEMP directory, how does this work on an unformatted partition? Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory? I get a bit lost in there...

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 2 2012 2:50 PM

Bill Cook:
Do I need to create a disk, format to NTFS, create a TEMP directory and modify the user variables to point to that directory?

I agree with your caution in proceeding with this. I got into difficulties after creating NTFS and could only restart in Window's Safe mode and then I decided to uninstall it. It may be safer to use the default file system, FAT32.

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