Commentary on Isaiah

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 4:52 PM

We need some basic Toulmin argument mapping in Logos.

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 4:52 PM

Has anyone used:

Barry, John D. The Resurrected Servant in Isaiah. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010.

I picked it up when it was in pre-pub, but I have not yet read it. Here is a random screenshot:

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 5:08 PM

MJ. Smith:

We need some basic Toulmin argument mapping in Logos.

I think you need to explain that, MJ—I had to look it up myself.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Milford Charles Murray | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 7:57 PM

George Somsel:
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I wouldn't trust Young to take out the garbage. His introduction was so annoying that I was tempted to throw it against the wall. I would suggest Sweeny's work on Is 1-39 in the FOTL series.              ..............

You haven't been paying attention.  I'm not a premillennialist.  I'm amillenial.  I don't like Young because he's an idiot.

George, Argumentum ad Hominem?????                                 George, you have over 4,000 posts.  You certainly should know better by now than to post in this fashion.  Such posting offends me greatly.  I also remember countless posts of yours in the old newsgroups of a similar tenor.  Almost it seems to deliberately provoke controversy in the "group."

Contrary to the Logos Forums Guidelines you have gone way over the line.  I am truly offended that you could and would be so "contrary."  If I wanted to be facetious - which really I don't - I might be tempted to state that such comments that you have made are "idiotic."  But, tempted as I am, I realise that to do so would make me a card-carrying member of your club.  To be honest, I regret that I really wanted to do so -- in anger -- and in spades!

Suffice it to say that I request that you:                 Please consider an apology if that is not too hard for you to do.

Philippians 4:  4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 8:09 PM

Milford Charles Murray:
Suffice it to say that I request that you:                 Please consider an apology if that is not too hard for you to do.

I never apologize for telling the truth.  You may consider that I posted to provoke controversey, but I rather posted, after seeing high praise for Young, to warn that Young's work is not worth spending their hard-earned cash to buy.  There are far better works.  I'm only sorry that it has caused you pain.

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 8:30 PM

5 Solas:

So, are you are still offering animal sacrifices ...?

 

Read Deuteronomy Rabbah 5:3 there you will find the answer!

Note, also that there is no longer a temple standing in Jerusalem (therefore, there is no place for sacrifices) and even if there were non-jews would not be required to offer sacrifices as they were never under the full 613 mitzvot(commandments) recorded in the written Torah(Pentateuch). However, according to the Mishneh Torah there are at least seven mitzvot that do apply to all.

 

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 8:33 PM

George Somsel:

MJ. Smith:

We need some basic Toulmin argument mapping in Logos.

 

I think you need to explain that, MJ—I had to look it up myself.

I was laughing to myself as I read the discussion - not because the back and forth wasn't appropriate but because it read like bits and pieces picked out of the middle of a larger argument. If I were to draw an argument map I could fill in the blanks to make either side look like Aristotle or Rube GoldbergBig Smile

If anyone wants to use it, here's my new remark/icon.

P.S. While they may not know the name Aussie kids can do Toulmin argument maps if Rationale educational software ads are to be believed. Go Aussies!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 9:00 PM

MJ. Smith:
I was laughing to myself as I read the discussion - not because the back and forth wasn't appropriate but because it read like bits and pieces picked out of the middle of a larger argument. If I were to draw an argument map I could fill in the blanks to make either side look like Aristotle or Rube GoldbergBig Smile

That's because it was basically bits and pieces culled from all of the arguments propounded by Fundamentalists for their bizarre but popular view of inspiration (with my responses).

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 9:03 PM

RMC:

I'm going to be starting a study on Isaiah in the new year, and was wondering if you have any recommendations for commentaries.    What I'm looking for is something that gives cultural background and insights into the Hebrew text (preferably written in a way that someone who doesn't know Hebrew would understand). My preference is a commentary that is not heavy on application, but gives contextual information written in a way a layperson could understand.  Any thoughts?

Here are a few you might want to look at:

  1. Continental Commentary Series: Isaiah 1–12
  2. Continental Commentary Series: Isaiah 13–27
  3. Continental Commentary Series: Isaiah 28–39
  1. Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 24: Isaiah 1-33
  2. Word Biblical Commentary, Volume 25: Isaiah 34-66 (Revised Edition)
  1. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on Isaiah 1-27

 

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 9:14 PM

George Somsel:
arguments propounded by Fundamentalists for their bizarre but popular view

Gimme a break, George. My Grandfather was a Church of Christ preacher and my Dad an elder for many years. Misguided, perhaps, given the philosophical propositions accepted without recognition of their dependence on Locke (nature of language, individualism etc.) but definitely not bizarre. Many Fundamentalists are very consistent and easily supportable if one accepts the secular philosophy base. There are groups among them that are bizarre and popular ... but many deserve intellectual respect.

[And no I will NOT identify those who fall into the bizarre category]]

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 9:32 PM

MJ. Smith:
Gimme a break, George. My Grandfather was a Church of Christ preacher and my Dad an elder for many years. Misguided, perhaps, given the philosophical propositions accepted without recognition of their dependence on Locke (nature of language, individualism etc.) but definitely not bizarre. Many Fundamentalists are very consistent and easily supportable if one accepts the secular philosophy base. There are groups among them that are bizarre and popular ... but many deserve intellectual respect.

Some of them, yes.  I grew up in a Fundamentalist church. 

MJ. Smith:
[And no I will NOT identify those who fall into the bizarre category]]

Aw, pretty please with sugar on top, pray tell.  Wink

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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BKMitchell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 10:08 PM

 

 

MJ. Smith:
[And no I will NOT identify those who fall into the bizarre category]]

George Somsel:
Aw, pretty please with sugar on top, pray tell.  Wink

He's probably just referring to people with views like mineAngel

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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Alain Maashe | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 10:42 PM

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After reading this thread I am reminded of the fact that feeding a troll is much like feeding a stray dog, they will both come back for more and you will never get rid of them. It might be fun at the beginning and might even look like a public service, but after a while they become a nuisance. No feeding, no troll. Pretty simple indeed.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2011 11:09 PM

Alain Maashe:
reminded of the fact that feeding a troll is much like feeding a stray dog,

Oops, I feed stray dogs (well actually cats who seem to become permanent fixtures).

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 3:04 AM

BKMitchell:

5 Solas:

So, are you are still offering animal sacrifices ...?

 

Read Deuteronomy Rabbah 5:3 there you will find the answer!

Note, also that there is no longer a temple standing in Jerusalem (therefore, there is no place for sacrifices) and even if there were non-jews would not be required to offer sacrifices as they were never under the full 613 mitzvot(commandments) recorded in the written Torah(Pentateuch). However, according to the Mishneh Torah there are at least seven mitzvot that do apply to all.

 

Respectfully, please go back and read the exchange, including the link I supplied .... George insisted in some of his posts that "the law" was still applied the same way today .... my question was to provoke him to look more closely at his error ....

 

Yours In Christ

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 5:26 AM

5 Solas:
Respectfully, please go back and read the exchange, including the link I supplied .... George insisted in some of his posts that "the law" was still applied the same way today .... my question was to provoke him to look more closely at his error ....

I did not insist that the law was applied the same way.  You had to post to correct YOUR error.  Learn to read.

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Sacrifice | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 8:09 AM

George Somsel:

5 Solas:
Respectfully, please go back and read the exchange, including the link I supplied .... George insisted in some of his posts that "the law" was still applied the same way today .... my question was to provoke him to look more closely at his error ....

I did not insist that the law was applied the same way.  You had to post to correct YOUR error.  Learn to read.

George, with all due respect, it may not have been what you meant, but it was what you wrote and implied, et. al.  But, don't worry, I will not be posting to correct any more of your errors. My original purpose in coming to the Logos forum was for technical advice and that is where my future posts will lie. Please do not respond to them. Thank you.

 

Yours In Christ

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 8:19 AM

5 Solas:
 But, don't worry, I will not be posting to correct any more of your errors

I suggest that you post to correct your own errors.

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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RMC | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 9:08 AM

 

Denise Barnhart:

RMC ... there's is NO WAY that you can not use all the Logos resources profitably.  Which scholar ever started out 'scholarly'? I say this as a compliment. Granted ... money can often be a challenge!

LOL  Thanks Denise Smile

 

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Looking at product page, noticed Tyndale Commentaries (49 vols.) not mentioned:

For years, community bidding had => Barnes' Notes on the Old and New Testaments (26 vols.)

More recently, another community pricing resource shipped => The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges (58 vols.)

Keep Smiling Smile

Thank you - screenshots are so helpful :)  I appreciate this!  I missed out on the Cambridge Bible when it was on CP - Didn't raise my bid in time Sad  Live and learn!

 

 

Joshua Garcia:

Has anyone used:

Barry, John D. The Resurrected Servant in Isaiah. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010.

I picked it up when it was in pre-pub, but I have not yet read it. Here is a random screenshot:

This looks right up my alley - I'll definitely be looking more into this!  Thank you Smile

 

BKMitchell:

Thank you Smile  I think the last one might be too pricey for me at this point, especially since it only covers about a third of Isaiah, but I'll look into it!

 

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RMC | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 19 2011 10:20 AM

Another thought - maybe there's something out there that's not specifically a commentary on Isaiah, but instead gives insight into the culture of Israel/ Judah during the reigns of Hezekiah, Uzziah, etc. that would give insight into the context in which Isaiah was written.  I'm wondering if there is anything similar to http://www.logos.com/product/5339/jesus-in-context-background-readings-for-gospel-study, but for the time period that Isaiah is writing to/ about.

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