Gluttony a sin in the bible?

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 9 2012 9:48 PM

Super Tramp:
I think sober preachers probably have better delivery of the sermon, wouldn't you think?Beer

I'll drink to that.  Beer  Beer  Beer

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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 9 2012 11:04 PM

tom collinge:

Fred Chapman:
it can never refer to ... banana pudding
Thanks be to God !!!!!!

Yes, I believe, brother!  I believe.

If I were looking for a Scripture that applied to gluttony, I would go with 1 Cor. 3:17  "If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple."

 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Jerry M | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 4:32 AM

I would say that gluttony is a work of the flesh, and is only a sin in the sense that it is in opposition to the work of the Spirit in my life.  So rather than focusing on food, perhaps one should turn the lack of self control into a prayer and focus on God.  So I would offer Galatians 5 as a focal point and the accompanying work of learning to cooperate with the daily working of the Spirit in my life.

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Gary Butner, Th.D. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 10:59 AM

 

John Chrysostom, John preached through many of Paul’s letters ("I like all the saints," he said, "but St. Paul the most of all—that vessel of election, the trumpet of heaven"), the Gospels of Matthew and of John, and the Book of Genesis. Changed lives were his goal, and he denounced sins from abortion to prostitution and from gluttony to swearing.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 11:22 AM

For anyone who has enjoyed Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, at Chrysostom's de-throning, it was set afire.

Per the Dict of Historical Theology, 'He spoke out against the pleasures of the hippodrome and the theatre, and his so-called ‘socialist’ views on the equitable distribution of wealth made him more enemies.'  Hmm, that last part sounds familiar somehow.

"I didn't know God made honky tonk angels."

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Rod | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 12:39 PM

Larry Parker:
Is there scripture stating that gluttony is a sin?

The main problem that I see with gluttony is that it leads directly to obesity.

Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have an adverse effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy and/or increased health problems.  Obesity is a leading preventable cause of death worldwide, with increasing prevalence in adults and children, and authorities view it as one of the most serious public health problems of the 21st century (per Wikipedia).

Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. (1 Co 6:19–20 - NIV)

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 12:55 PM

This thread proves we need Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth by Richard Foster in Logos.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 1:15 PM

MJ. Smith:

This thread proves we need Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth by Richard Foster in Logos.

Yes

Bohuslav

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Garrett Ho | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 1:27 PM

This thread is pretty entertaining, but going back to the original question, I'd like to recommend a Logos resource: Love to Eat, Hate to Eat by Elyse Fitzpatrick.

I just read it recently, and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. Many of the principles can be generalized to apply to discipline and purpose in other areas of life.

Here is an excerpt:

Instead of devising comfortable euphemisms to describe my problem, I need to fall on the mercy of the One who saves me from sin. Please don’t find offense in the use of the words “gluttony” or “sin.” I’m not condemning you; I’m seeking to direct you to the One who died for our sins and who is the sole source of every victory over sin—even the sin of gluttony.

What Makes Our Eating Sinful?

Think with me for one moment: Why should we view certain eating practices as sin? Why would God call them sin?

Back to Egypt

Eating habits become sinful when the habitual practice of them places us in bondage again—a bondage to sin from which Christ died to free us...

...Biblically the word glutton means “a person who is debased and excessive in his eating habits. Gluttony is more than overeating. In its association with drunkenness, it describes a life given to excess.”

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 10 2012 2:00 PM

MJ. Smith:

This thread proves we need Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth by Richard Foster in Logos.

This thread shows that we need The Joy of Cooking by Rombauer and Julia Child's books.  Geeked

george
gfsomsel

יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Mike Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 8:35 AM

Rosie Perera:

BANOFFEE PIE

Graham cracker crust:

1½ cups graham cracker crumbs
½ cup confectioners' sugar
¾ cup melted butter
3 tsp. ground ginger (or fresh ginger, squeezed in a garlic press)
2 tsp. cinnamon

Filling:

2 bananas, sliced
2 cans sweetened condensed milk (not reduced fat; not evaporated milk)
2 cups heavy whipping cream
¼ cup confectioners' sugar
2 tsp. vanilla
Baker's (or similar) semi-sweet chocolate cube (optional)

Strip the cans of condensed milk of their labels, including the strict instruction never to heat unopened can.  Place unopened cans in a deep saucepan of water and bring to a boil.  Boil for three hours, making sure the pan is regularly topped up with water, and turning the cans over half way through.  Remove the cans and leave to cool for twenty minutes or so.  This procedure turns the condensed milk into a delicious soft toffee.  (The cans may be boiled in advance and stored on the shelf for later use, but they are easiest to spoon out when still slightly warm).

Get behind me, thou temptress.  Get behind me and push!

 

"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley

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Danny Baskin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 8:37 AM

MJ. Smith:

This thread proves we need Celebration of Discipline: The Path to Spiritual Growth by Richard Foster in Logos.

 

So true!

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 8:53 AM

Dominick Sela:

I think you can look at 1 Cor 15:19, where St. Paul says the life he has chosen is pitiable if there is no resurrection. He goes on to say in 1 Cor 15:32 "If the dead are not raised let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die".

There is a good discussion of this in Desiring God, Meditations of a Christian Hedonist; he makes the point that gluttony is the alternative to resurrection.

????? Hmm I'm trying to make sense of this, but it doesn't compute.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 8:57 AM

David Paul:

Dominick Sela:

I think you can look at 1 Cor 15:19, where St. Paul says the life he has chosen is pitiable if there is no resurrection. He goes on to say in 1 Cor 15:32 "If the dead are not raised let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die".

There is a good discussion of this in Desiring God, Meditations of a Christian Hedonist; he makes the point that gluttony is the alternative to resurrection.

 

????? Hmm I'm trying to make sense of this, but it doesn't compute.

I haven't read it but I'm fairly certain Dominick is merely making a simplified statement of a much larger discussion.

Anyone who wants to read it: Desiring God - Logos Bible Software

 

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 9:18 AM

To me, one of the most important verses regarding this subject is Deut. 32:15. Related is Deut. 31:20. Deut. 32:16-17 shows the result.

One of the other verses that speaks to this is 1 Cor. 6:18. This kind of indulgence is also a sin against the body. Of course, by "body" I mean not just the physical body, but also the body of Messiah. Therefore, this also ties in with 1 Cor. 11:27.

What is interesting is that YHWH says that those who are worthy of blessing will eat the fat of the land, and then they will be punished for succumbing to indulgence. This concept also ties into the ban on eating fat. There are spiritual and prophetic principles that are much more germain than physical over-indulgence, but the physical issues aren't unimportant. They are just exemplar of the greater issues.

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 10:38 AM

George Somsel:

This thread shows that we need The Joy of Cooking by Rombauer and Julia Child's books.  Geeked

This thread proves that we care more about fun and food than we do about lost souls...instead of preaching to the lost we share recipies with them...

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 10:59 AM

Peter Cellini:

George Somsel:

This thread shows that we need The Joy of Cooking by Rombauer and Julia Child's books.  Geeked

 

This thread proves that we care more about fun and food than we do about lost souls...instead of preaching to the lost we share recipies with them...

If you say so Grinch.  How was Christmas this year?  Did you manage to steal it?

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 11:35 AM

George Somsel:

If you say so Grinch.  How was Christmas this year?  Did you manage to steal it?

 

I don't celebrate christmas, since it means "Christ's Mass" and that popish re-sacrificing denies the one-time, sufficient atonment made by Christ.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 11:44 AM

Peter Cellini:
I don't celebrate christmas, since it means "Christ's Mass" and that popish re-sacrificing denies the one-time, sufficient atonment made by Christ.

I understand, Grinch.  Tongue Tied

8 In that region there were shepherds living in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for see—I am bringing you good news of great joy for all the people: 11 to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign for you: you will find a child wrapped in bands of cloth and lying in a manger." 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying,

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and on earth peace among those whom he favors!"

"Glory to God in the highest heaven,

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Lk 2:8-20

When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let us go now to Bethlehem and see this thing that has taken place, which the Lord has made known to us." 16 So they went with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the child lying in the manger. 17 When they saw this, they made known what had been told them about this child; 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds told them. 19 But Mary treasured all these words and pondered them in her heart. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen, as it had been told them.

george
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יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן

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Icarus38376 | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 12 2012 11:56 AM

George Somsel:
The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen, as it had been told them.

 

 

I don't see anything in those verses about re-sacrifices. 

BTW, I glorify and praise God for the saviour every day... 

I dont' need pagan rituals and blasphemous masses to prove my love for Christ.

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