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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:28 AM

Are you guys aware of any place on the web where someone is organizing and making all of these PBB's available?

 

 

Thanks

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:42 AM

Currently they all get loaded into the files menu.

I was thinking of creating a place on my website to include all of the new items.  My website is focused on sharing free Christian resources that are available (legally) across the internet - so it would be a good fit.

Longer term there will be the ability to share them via some method that logos will come up with, but I'm not sure how long that will take?  Also, there will be some files which can be shared but not via that method.  logos have suggested/said public domain files that they provide in their library will not be shared with this method, or via this forum - which is fair enough.  However I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong), they did not "outlaw" sharing public domain books externally regardless of whether they can be purchased via logos.

If people think its a good idea I'll go ahead and set up a trial run.  It would be much easier for people to say what fields etc. should be filled in by setting it up well.  Regular contributors could have log on accounts so they could add them just as quickly as creating a post here (well almost).

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:44 AM

I meant files forum not menu Embarrassed

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Steve Clevenger | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:48 AM

David,

thanks and please post a link.

 

Steve

 

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 7:56 AM

Steve Clevenger:

Are you guys aware of any place on the web where someone is organizing and making all of these PBB's available?

I know that Logos intends to have this someday in the future, some mockup or prototype seems to be in place, but there's no info on the potential organization of the files and they are not very clear on wether really all these PBs will be available (they obviously want to avoid PBs being a competition to their own produced resources).

Then there#s Thomas Black's Stilltruth.com, where all the L3 PBBs are hosted, organized by author IIRC, and where Thomas invites people to post L4 PBs (but there are only a small amount and atb the moment he doesn't mirror what is in the Files forum). Many users seem accustomed to go there or point others this way.

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:06 AM

Hi Steve,

The link is below.  I had a long period last year of not posting having been busy with life but am now "back into the groove" of adding items, though there is a need for a spring clean very soon (particularly the recommended box on page 1 - I'm not sure why some items are on there!  In fact I'll probably change that tonight!!!)

http://www.freechristianresources.org

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:11 AM

currently the list is maintined on the WIKI,

http://wiki.logos.com/User_Contributed_Personal_Books

pointless having multiple lists

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:31 AM

DominicM:

currently the list is maintined on the WIKI,

http://wiki.logos.com/User_Contributed_Personal_Books

pointless having multiple lists

Well, there is a point in having two: Stilltruth can list public domain PB's that compete with Logos resources, which we try to avoid doing here, but I agree that adding a third (fourth, fifth...) site is undesirable, unless everything there is also listed in one or both of the first two places.

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:42 AM

I agree there is no point in duplication for the sake of it.

As fgh points out there will be some that will not be posted here on the forums.

Also, from a usability point a view I expect in about 6 months the list will start to get difficult to find things.  But certainly it is great at the moment.

As far as I could see when I last checked Stilltruth had not added any Logos 4.0 PBs.  Though I recall Thomas suggested he might/would/could - my memory is hazy!

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Calvin Habig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:51 AM

I would be more interested in a topical listing than a mirror site.  MJ's wiki page is useful, but is in alphabetical order & like the forum will become unwieldy at some point.  Is there anyone who might be willing to take on a topical directory of the personal books on the files forum?

 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:52 AM

Interesting timing. I have just been experimenting with trying to see if the Wiki page can be improved - particularly if it grows. I've added a proof of concept, which I'd be glad for feedback on. In particular, three questions: is it needed? is it too complicated? are more fields needed (e.g. date added, topic, etc.)

http://wiki.logos.com/MBTest

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DominicM | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 8:59 AM

looks good Mark

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 9:02 AM

David Sawyer:
As far as I could see when I last checked Stilltruth had not added any Logos 4.0 PBs.

http://www.stilltruth.com/topics/docx

Only three so far, but at least one is in competition with a Logos prepub, and thus isn't supposed to be listed here.

(Btw, Thomas, if you read this: that one (Schaff) has incorrect copyright information: the last preface was written considerably later than the stated copyright date. Fortunately, however, the author of that preface seems to have died in 1941, so presumably the copyright still expired some time last year, at the latest (hopefully before it was put on your site).)

As for the Wiki list, yes, you're right, and it might be time to start dividing it up a bit by type, with separate headings for Bibles, Bible commentaries, Lectionaries and so on.

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David Sawyer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 9:03 AM

Wow Mark that is great!Yes

I think having date added would be very useful to quickly see what you may have missed since your last visit.  Topic would also be useful, particularly for people that may want to be selective in what they add.

Thinking aloud, what is the merit of including the milestones info here?  Is it so that it shows the "quality" if the product?  If I see something I like the look of I wouldn't be put off by a lack of page numbers - although I guess also it might also highlight works that need a little more work to make them really good.

 

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 9:21 AM

I should have refreshed the page before I hit 'Post' Embarrassed.

I agree, it looks great, Mark. Yes, a way of quickly identifying if you have the latest version would be desirable. And a 'tag' field would be useful too; it could be used for both topic and denomination, and would make it easy to find everything Lutheran, or everything  on baptism.

Calvin, the page is actually Rosie's, not MJ's.

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 9:28 AM

Mark Barnes:

Interesting timing. I have just been experimenting with trying to see if the Wiki page can be improved - particularly if it grows. I've added a proof of concept, which I'd be glad for feedback on. In particular, three questions: is it needed? is it too complicated? are more fields needed (e.g. date added, topic, etc.)

http://wiki.logos.com/MBTest

Looks great, Mark. I'd be concerned that the time it takes to add a new entry (create a new page with all the right fields, and then add a link to it in the right table) will mean it won't get updated. Look what happened to our bug tracking database. I think it was just too complicated and time-consuming to keep up with it.

I've had no problem updating the list every week with all the new posts on Files, and others have been adding updates to it as well. I'm happy to have it organized into sections of Bibles, Monographs, whatever, if people think that would be more useful. I recognize that it might grow out of hand at some point, but my design was always only to have it be temporary until Logos gets the PB store online, since that will no doubt have better search and sorting features. I don't yet know whether it will allow people to post freebies, though. All they've said is they won't host anything that competes with public domain works they're selling. But they didn't say anything beyond that.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 9:30 AM

Rosie Perera:
and then add a link to it in the right table) will mean it won't get updated.

The table updates itself. You just need to add the page with the right fields.

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fgh | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 12:01 PM

Let me also point out that on that Wiki page is a section for Personal Books in Progress or Suggested/Requested. If you're working on a PB that takes more than a day or two to finish, please add it there, so that several people don't waste time working on the same resource.

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Calvin Habig | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 12:11 PM

Oops.  Sorry Rosie!

 

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Rosie Perera | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 6 2012 12:32 PM

Mark Barnes:

Rosie Perera:
and then add a link to it in the right table) will mean it won't get updated.

The table updates itself. You just need to add the page with the right fields.

Well, OK, but it still seems more error prone and time consuming. However, if you want to do that go for it. I would hope you would convert the entire list I've created into your format (it would be bad to have two competing lists), and I would delete mine and bow out of being a major updater. I'd just add my own books in your format. Either method requires one major advocate to keep it going, even if a few others do occasionally add a title here and there. And either method is subject to the "weariness of the creator" disease. Once you or I get tired of it, it falls into disrepair. Mine might be easier for others to take over and keep up with if I get lazy and let it fall behind. Not sure about yours... (again, I cite the bug database as a classic example).

Still, yours is much easier to navigate and looks really spiffy. I might also suggest one more column for "Tradition" (or "Denomination"?), since most of the PB's posted thus far fit strongly into one or another particular tradition: e.g., Lutheran, Restoration Movement, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist. People looking to pick up PB's might be looking for all the ones in a particular tradition.

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